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I got the below email from Wolff Springs this morning. Apparently they never had any interest in replacement springs for the Kel Tec P3AT, from what I have heard. Now after reading this email it seems they really do not have any interest in replacement springs for the LCP either. My LCP throws brass what appears to be 15 to 20 feet into the air. That right there to me at least is an indicator I need stronger recoil springs. I guess I will have to do what Jocko suggested and get me some 13# springs made for the Kel Tec 32 caliber pistol. Is there any other spring companies out there who might make stronger recoil springs for the LCP? What company makes the recoil springs we have now in our LCP's? Anybody know or care to guess what company? That would be good to know.

This is the email they sent to me. "Thank you for writing and interest in our products. We do not have any springs specifically for the Ruger LCP at present. The LCP uses a dual spring recoil system which presents a few problems from a manufacturing point and increases the cost and time required to manufacture replacement recoil springs. We're a small company and we have to put our R&D time, effort and money where it will have the greatest impact. Until there is a larger market for replacement springs for this pocket pistol, I do not see replacement springs being available in the near future. Having said that, things can change both from a market position and time position, that will alter our present situation. Magazine springs might be a different story but we'll have to get a pistol or at least a mag in house for examination to see if any of our exiting magazine springs will fit or function in the LCP."

Sorry we can't offer more assistance at this time.

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John Andrews
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Sassi said:
I got the below email from Wolff Springs this morning. Apparently they never had any interest in replacement springs for the Kel Tec P3AT, from what I have heard. Now after reading this email it seems they really do not have any interest in replacement springs for the LCP either. My LCP throws brass what appears to be 15 to 20 feet into the air. That right there to me at least is an indicator I need stronger recoil springs. I guess I will have to do what Jocko suggested and get me some 13# springs made for the Kel Tec 32 caliber pistol. Is there any other spring companies out there who might make stronger recoil springs for the LCP? What company makes the recoil springs we have now in our LCP's? Anybody know or care to guess what company? That would be good to know.

This is the email they sent to me. "Thank you for writing and interest in our products. We do not have any springs specifically for the Ruger LCP at present. The LCP uses a dual spring recoil system which presents a few problems from a manufacturing point and increases the cost and time required to manufacture replacement recoil springs. We're a small company and we have to put our R&D time, effort and money where it will have the greatest impact. Until there is a larger market for replacement springs for this pocket pistol, I do not see replacement springs being available in the near future. Having said that, things can change both from a market position and time position, that will alter our present situation. Magazine springs might be a different story but we'll have to get a pistol or at least a mag in house for examination to see if any of our exiting magazine springs will fit or function in the LCP."

Sorry we can't offer more assistance at this time.

Regards,
John Andrews
Wolff Gunsprings
I'm confused,your LCP ejects brass 15 to 20 feet and you want stronger springs, correct? I reload my brass and I can't say that I want to chase brass to much farther. Perhaps your saying stronger springs will reduce this distance. If this is true won't you be taking a chance of jams with any lighter loads than you are currently shooting.I guess I'm just not a fan of re-engineering something like a hand gun.
 

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I sent Wolff Springs another email yesterday. This morning I got back the below reply from Wolff Springs. What do yall think? It looks like they have in hand a P3AT but do not have a LCP to evaluate.

Thanks for the feedback...again. I just finished talking about this with
Walt Wolff and while I will not (and cannot) give you a specific date, I
will say that we will move the P3AT project to the top of the list. We
do have the pistol and we'll begin working on in the next few days (if
not today). As for springs for the Ruger LCP - that too will move up but
again, I can't give you a time frame (yes, I say that a lot too) but
your emails have kind of brought home our need to get things rolling on
these two pistols...thanks.

As for using the 13 lb. Kel Tec P32 recoil springs in either the LCP or
the P3AT, I can't give you much direction. We have not used or tried
that spring combo in our P3AT (to date). Until we actually see how the
P32 recoil spring combo works in the P3AT we have to beg out of the
discussion.

Thanks again for your emails and for your purchases, we/I appreciate
both.

Regards,
John Andrews
Wolff Gunsprings
 

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MNBud said:
Sassi said:
I got the below email from Wolff Springs this morning. Apparently they never had any interest in replacement springs for the Kel Tec P3AT, from what I have heard. Now after reading this email it seems they really do not have any interest in replacement springs for the LCP either. My LCP throws brass what appears to be 15 to 20 feet into the air. That right there to me at least is an indicator I need stronger recoil springs. I guess I will have to do what Jocko suggested and get me some 13# springs made for the Kel Tec 32 caliber pistol. Is there any other spring companies out there who might make stronger recoil springs for the LCP? What company makes the recoil springs we have now in our LCP's? Anybody know or care to guess what company? That would be good to know.

This is the email they sent to me. "Thank you for writing and interest in our products. We do not have any springs specifically for the Ruger LCP at present. The LCP uses a dual spring recoil system which presents a few problems from a manufacturing point and increases the cost and time required to manufacture replacement recoil springs. We're a small company and we have to put our R&D time, effort and money where it will have the greatest impact. Until there is a larger market for replacement springs for this pocket pistol, I do not see replacement springs being available in the near future. Having said that, things can change both from a market position and time position, that will alter our present situation. Magazine springs might be a different story but we'll have to get a pistol or at least a mag in house for examination to see if any of our exiting magazine springs will fit or function in the LCP."

Sorry we can't offer more assistance at this time.

Regards,
John Andrews
Wolff Gunsprings
I'm confused,your LCP ejects brass 15 to 20 feet and you want stronger springs, correct? I reload my brass and I can't say that I want to chase brass to much farther. Perhaps your saying stronger springs will reduce this distance. If this is true won't you be taking a chance of jams with any lighter loads than you are currently shooting.I guess I'm just not a fan of re-engineering something like a hand gun.
then indeed stick with your factory springs, nothing wrong with them lighter loads?????
 

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MNBud said:
Sassi said:
I got the below email from Wolff Springs this morning. Apparently they never had any interest in replacement springs for the Kel Tec P3AT, from what I have heard. Now after reading this email it seems they really do not have any interest in replacement springs for the LCP either. My LCP throws brass what appears to be 15 to 20 feet into the air. That right there to me at least is an indicator I need stronger recoil springs. I guess I will have to do what Jocko suggested and get me some 13# springs made for the Kel Tec 32 caliber pistol. Is there any other spring companies out there who might make stronger recoil springs for the LCP? What company makes the recoil springs we have now in our LCP's? Anybody know or care to guess what company? That would be good to know.

This is the email they sent to me. "Thank you for writing and interest in our products. We do not have any springs specifically for the Ruger LCP at present. The LCP uses a dual spring recoil system which presents a few problems from a manufacturing point and increases the cost and time required to manufacture replacement recoil springs. We're a small company and we have to put our R&D time, effort and money where it will have the greatest impact. Until there is a larger market for replacement springs for this pocket pistol, I do not see replacement springs being available in the near future. Having said that, things can change both from a market position and time position, that will alter our present situation. Magazine springs might be a different story but we'll have to get a pistol or at least a mag in house for examination to see if any of our exiting magazine springs will fit or function in the LCP."

Sorry we can't offer more assistance at this time.

Regards,
John Andrews
Wolff Gunsprings
I'm confused,your LCP ejects brass 15 to 20 feet and you want stronger springs, correct? I reload my brass and I can't say that I want to chase brass to much farther. Perhaps your saying stronger springs will reduce this distance. If this is true won't you be taking a chance of jams with any lighter loads than you are currently shooting.I guess I'm just not a fan of re-engineering something like a hand gun.

I think what he is trying to do is reduce the force of the ejection. By putting in a heaver spring it will slow down the slide as it comes back and not eject the shells with so much force. The larger the load the more force thus the heavier spring would be needed to dampen the recoil.

Am I correct? or totally off base?
 

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offcamber said:
MNBud said:
Sassi said:
I got the below email from Wolff Springs this morning. Apparently they never had any interest in replacement springs for the Kel Tec P3AT, from what I have heard. Now after reading this email it seems they really do not have any interest in replacement springs for the LCP either. My LCP throws brass what appears to be 15 to 20 feet into the air. That right there to me at least is an indicator I need stronger recoil springs. I guess I will have to do what Jocko suggested and get me some 13# springs made for the Kel Tec 32 caliber pistol. Is there any other spring companies out there who might make stronger recoil springs for the LCP? What company makes the recoil springs we have now in our LCP's? Anybody know or care to guess what company? That would be good to know.

This is the email they sent to me. "Thank you for writing and interest in our products. We do not have any springs specifically for the Ruger LCP at present. The LCP uses a dual spring recoil system which presents a few problems from a manufacturing point and increases the cost and time required to manufacture replacement recoil springs. We're a small company and we have to put our R&D time, effort and money where it will have the greatest impact. Until there is a larger market for replacement springs for this pocket pistol, I do not see replacement springs being available in the near future. Having said that, things can change both from a market position and time position, that will alter our present situation. Magazine springs might be a different story but we'll have to get a pistol or at least a mag in house for examination to see if any of our exiting magazine springs will fit or function in the LCP."

Sorry we can't offer more assistance at this time.

Regards,
John Andrews
Wolff Gunsprings
I'm confused,your LCP ejects brass 15 to 20 feet and you want stronger springs, correct? I reload my brass and I can't say that I want to chase brass to much farther. Perhaps your saying stronger springs will reduce this distance. If this is true won't you be taking a chance of jams with any lighter loads than you are currently shooting.I guess I'm just not a fan of re-engineering something like a hand gun.

I think what he is trying to do is reduce the force of the ejection. By putting in a heaver spring it will slow down the slide as it comes back and not eject the shells with so much force. The larger the load the more force thus the heavier spring would be needed to dampen the recoil.

Am I correct? or totally off base?
I believe you are correct. I may be interested in one too. Mine ejects brass so far I've only found about 15 casings so far in the yard, I've also been clocked in the head a few times. I'm assuming that a stiffer spring would make it harder to rack the slide but you know what happens when you ass u me. Anyone know if it would affect the slide pull?
 

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exactly why they make recoil springs for various guns in different poundages. If you can drop casing 6 feet instead of 20 feet, then indeed it is kinder to the over all weark and tear of the gun, Can u overdue it ??? Very easy to test it out to. The slide just doesn't function with proper ejection. Again your not breaking anything jsut experimenting

I personally would not hold my breath with wolffs announcement that they have now acquired a PAT 380, they have only been out there for about 7 years, and probably well over 100,000 have been sold. When I was on the kt forum, I know that besides I, many others had written Wolffs about springs for the PAT380 and this has been going on for at least 4 years, that I know of. there is no doubt the Kt PAT 380 and Ruger Lcp shoulduse the same poundage springs.

Maybe Rugers entry into the 380 world has gotten wolffs off their ass, but I seriously doubt it. The word RECOIL springs explains what they are meant to do in a gun, IMO>

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Will the P3AT recoil spring work in the LCP and vise versa? I have been told that the 13# P32 spring combo will work in the LCP. If these springs are inter changeable Wolff would only need to create one set of springs. They already have the !3# spring combo for the P32 so they are well on their way as I see it.
 

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Sassi, your question begs for an answer. Who knows what goes on in the mind of Wolff.

Like many, I asked Wolff many times over the years if they planned on introducing an extra power recoil spring/s for the P3AT. Short response was, "we have no immediate plans." Given the immense popularlity of the LCP however, it's possible (but I wouldn't hold your breath) that they many in fact act. Wolff may be a relatively small company but they have more business than they can handle producing after-market springs in volume for Glock Colt, and others.
 

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Sassi, your questions begs for an answer.

Like many, I asked Wolff many times over the years if they planned on introducing an extra power recoil spring/s for the P3AT. Short response was, "we have no immediate plans." Given the immense popularlity of the LCP however, it's possible (but I wouldn't hold your breath) that they many in fact act. Wolff may be a relatively small company but they have more business than they can handle producing after-market springs in volume for Glock Colt, and others.
ur right on kraigster but just look at the damn odd ball guns that they make recoil springs for that don't even come close in volume sales as the kt 380 has. unbelievable how lazy they have been over the past 7 years, Hell they made springs for the damn 32 kt and then just quit after that. Everyone begged them to get off their lazy asses and get some better kt 380 springs and yes your resonse was dead on "no immediate plans". So I just won't get to excited about what wolffs says. but heh if you needs springs for your sprinter 19 caliber, they make them in 6 different weights :D :D Thats what happens sometimes WHEN YOU HAVE NO COMPETITION.

It's just not rocket science, especially for a company whose business is "springs"..
 

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Can't argue with you Jocko. They've got some strange items for sure, go figure. :)
got a message from my Kahr gal today, she says definitely we will be shipping the P380 in NOVEMBER.

not sure if it is 2008 or 2009 but she did say NOVEMBER.. ;D
 

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Can't argue with you Jocko. They've got some strange items for sure, go figure. :)
yes and who are we to dispute if they realy did much testing on those odd ball guns even, when it took them 7 years to obtain a kt380. Pure wolffs B.S.
 

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I recently put a set of KT32 13# springs in my LCP. What a world of difference. Brass quit flying everywhere, usually within 5-6 feet from me. It might be my imagination, but it seemed like there was less recoil. Only shot about 50 rounds.
 

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there should be less recoil. "Heavier" springs 'consume' more energy to compress them (vs. lighter springs), so more of the recoil energy is disapated in the springs, and less is transmitted to your hand(s).
 

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there should be less recoil. "Heavier" springs 'consume' more energy to compress them (vs. lighter springs), so more of the recoil energy is disapated in the springs, and less is transmitted to your hand(s).
Now my logic may be off but it seems to me that it wouldn't make any difference. The amount of recoil has to go somewhere and ultimately it is into your hand. Increasing the weight of the gun/slide would reduce the actionable recoil but I doubt that changing the springs would.
 

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MountainGator said:
there should be less recoil. "Heavier" springs 'consume' more energy to compress them (vs. lighter springs), so more of the recoil energy is disapated in the springs, and less is transmitted to your hand(s).
Now my logic may be off but it seems to me that it wouldn't make any difference. The amount of recoil has to go somewhere and ultimately it is into your hand. Increasing the weight of the gun/slide would reduce the actionable recoil but I doubt that changing the springs would.
wanna bet?? you go from a 8 to a 13# recoil spring andyou will see the difference in hand feel-alot.. heavier slide would do the same thing, recoil springs don't weight anything..basically....
 

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maybejim said:
MountainGator said:
there should be less recoil. "Heavier" springs 'consume' more energy to compress them (vs. lighter springs), so more of the recoil energy is disapated in the springs, and less is transmitted to your hand(s).
Now my logic may be off but it seems to me that it wouldn't make any difference. The amount of recoil has to go somewhere and ultimately it is into your hand. Increasing the weight of the gun/slide would reduce the actionable recoil but I doubt that changing the springs would.
The total energy remains the same, but the time profile of how it is dissipated will change. Think "fast and sharp" vs. "slow and smooth" as extremes. The total energy is the same, but the felt recoil will be quite different.
 

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Is Wolff the one and only company who makes gun springs? If so no wonder they drag their feet at every corner. Surely some other company(s) can do this sort of work?
 

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HowardCohodas said:
maybejim said:
MountainGator said:
there should be less recoil. "Heavier" springs 'consume' more energy to compress them (vs. lighter springs), so more of the recoil energy is disapated in the springs, and less is transmitted to your hand(s).
Now my logic may be off but it seems to me that it wouldn't make any difference. The amount of recoil has to go somewhere and ultimately it is into your hand. Increasing the weight of the gun/slide would reduce the actionable recoil but I doubt that changing the springs would.
The total energy remains the same, but the time profile of how it is dissipated will change. Think "fast and sharp" vs. "slow and smooth" as extremes. The total energy is the same, but the felt recoil will be quite different.
gee I wish I had stated it that way. amen brother
 
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