Not a wise move to empty an entire mag if it carries six or 17 according to my CCW class. You want to stop the BG, but going overboard will not look good to the police or in a civil case. Shoot only enough to stop the threat....bajaraider said:Center mass.
I have also heard (although not sure of the seriousness...) When in doubt, empty the mag.
and Don't stop shooting until the threat stops.
In my opinion, this is beyond expectations for anyone not in continuous training.Sandy said:NEVER empty the magazine.
RedPepper2 said:Police shoot as long as the criminal is moving which indicates they are still dangerous if still moving. If the policeperson empties their 15 round magazine, so be it. Just support your local police.
I firmly believe the human mind can differentiate between "training" and a live situation, no matter how real you try to make the training (meaning, no training will be able to simulate the real thing; the mind will never react in training the way it will in a real situation). This is why muscle memory is so important; most force on force training is geared more toward muscle memory and reaction without actually considering what you're doing. But to get to this point takes something in the neighborhood of 5000 repetitions before a single motion or action becomes truly instinctive where you can do it without thought. Training with any other goals in mind will be less beneficial. Not to say practicing good form, sight alignment and various other tasks while simply punching holes in paper is useless... Oh, but to help while doing that... try shooting at silhouettes only; helps a little for your mind to not lock on to the fact that you're shooting at a human instead of paper should the need arise.HowardCohodas said:These are my views, some of which are backed up by research. I am a bit strident, because I consider this such an important topic. My life and your life are important to me.
Unless you are experience in shooting people, there are practical limitations to your physical and mental abilities. In spite of your skills at target practice with a good stance, a good grip and good trigger discipline you will fall far short of your practice abilities. Force on force training may give you the additional training you need, but it is not the same as shooting someone for the first time. Some say hunting may give you some of that ability, but I am not a hunter so I could not rely on that experience.
Very well put!HowardCohodas said:If you are in a SD situation, the likelihood is that you will have both eyes open, be focused on the BG not on the front sight, be shooting one handed and will empty the magazine. Any expectation of being able to place your shots will obviate the very reason you decided to carry, i.e. protection of yourself and loved ones. The BG will have you at a disadvantage and you will die. There is no such thing as fairness in a gun fight. Your sole responsibility to yourself and your loved ones is to stop the threat and preserve your life by whatever means. Fairness never enters the equation.
Bottom line... The minimum risk to you and yours is COM. Thinking you can accomplish anything else is delusional.
Such good info... it doesn't hurt to get an attorney on retainer if you have the extra cash.Sandy said:You never carry a gun for any reason other than self defense. If you pull out your weapon in anticipation of trouble when you have no expectation of death or imminent bodily harm, you will probably be charged with brandishing a firearm and will probably lose your right to carry a firearm in your state.
If you get in a situation where you must pull the trigger, always aim for the center of mass. Your adrenaline (sp?) will be pumping to the max, your hands will shake and you will get tunnel vision. You will be lucky if you hit anything or anyone you intend to hit.
Trying to make an ocular shot (much less two) and shooting to "wing" the bad guy is something best saved for television.
You NEVER shoot to kill and you NEVER empty the magazine. You always shoot until the threat is neutralized.
If you pull the trigger, you will probably be subject to an investigation by the district attorney where the shooting occurred to see if you should be charged with a crime. Watch your newspaper to see if your district attorney makes any statements about his stance on self defense shooting. If he (or she) is against owning weapons for self defense, get ready for a long costly trial. I've heard all the crap about being found guilty by twelve instead of being carried by six but be prepared to spend most of everything you own to defend yourself.
Even if the criminal aspect goes your way, be prepared for the scum with a 14 page rap sheet to suddenly become a choirboy by the time of the civil trial and you will have shot this 24 year old child while he was on his way to make rosaries for the nuns in India.
If a shooting occurs, never tell the 911 operator you shot someone. Simply say there has been a shooting. When you are confronted by the law you will have a tendency to try to justify what you did and you will talk too much. DO NOT MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE POLICE UNTIL YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY. If they insist tell them you are so unnerved and too upset to make a statement. You may even have chest pains and request a trip to the hospital. Try to find a sympathetic attorney before the need arises. Call him and tell him what has happened no matter the time. D
The likelihood, while in an engagement of making a clean, incapacitating head shot on a moving target with a small caliber pistol at any range shy of arm length is slim to none for better than 99% of the populus. Advocating such practices is really unrealistic. The area of the head which will provide instant incapacitating effect is really no bigger than your fist; it's the cerebral cortex, or brain stem. There have been a great number of people survive being shot in the head (to include brain), and many have retained a good deal of normal function. But, giving the scenario the benefit of the doubt, we'll count any shot from the brain stem up as a likely show stopper. So you're talking about around the nose area north... call it an 8" target. Now compare if you will, your 8" (50.24sq in), moving (and not simply directly at you, but side to side, up and down with the motion of the body) target to a torso (center mass) of the average man... easily 14"x24" (336sq in). Taking these approximations, you're looking at a target 85% smaller than the torso.freetoe said:Agreed, in a stress situation it would be hard to count shots and hard to be rational even. Thats why we have training to fall back on. It helps us figure out what to do under stress. In my opinion the first two shots you make should be as close to center mass as you can get and if he is still coming at you move up to the head shot and keep shooting until he stops.