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Dead post, no shots fired!:giggle:
 

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I am very surprised that members here who own and carry 380 LCP s do not find this interesting. 62% one-shot stops with a 380 is very good.
 

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Your photos don't work so we are not sure what you are talking about. Den
 
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Your photos don't work so we are not sure what you are talking about. Den
The photos are working fine. See my post above.
Click on "photos.google.com"., and pictures will pop right up with an explanation.
 

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I get a Google 404 error, nothing found on server. Den
 

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Is the picture visible to you now?.
Yes I see the photo now, thanks. I always thought the smaller calibers would stop a threat. Here is one of the many articles. This one breaks down the details pretty good. Denny

 

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Yes I see the photo now, thanks. I always thought the smaller calibers would stop a threat. Here is one of the many articles. This one breaks down the details pretty good. Denny

Thanks Denny. That was an interesting article.
This information gives me more confidence in my LCP with Underwood XP loads.
I guess it boils down to shot placement.
 

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Some people fail to see the forensic study was of 154 attackers 144.76 were stopped by the .22 LR with a handgun pistol or revolver 9.24 were not stopped . still good odds for the .22 LR handgun .Of the 154 attackers shot in the Head Neck or Torso with just one shot 34% of 154 thats 52.36 attackers were fatal with one shot from a .22 handgun. 60% of the 154 attackers stopped with one shot was 92.4 with one shot from a .22 LR from a Handgun .The percentage in this case puts the .22lr handgun a contender in the self defense arena .Read the study its about Handguns not Rifles Some people will look at this data and say “He’s telling us all to carry .22s”. That’s not true. Although this study showed that the percentages of people stopped with one shot are similar between almost all handgun cartridges, there’s more to the story.

In Greg's conclusion of his study he says "The results I got from the study lead me to believe that there really isn’t that much difference between most defensive handgun rounds and calibers. None is a death ray, but most work adequately…even the lowly .22s. I’ve stopped worrying about trying to find the “ultimate” bullet. There isn’t one. And I’ve stopped feeling the need to strap on my .45 every time I leave the house out of fear that my 9mm doesn’t have enough “stopping power.” Folks, carry what you want. Caliber really isn’t all that important. Take a look at the data. I hope it helps you decide what weapon to carry. No matter which gun you choose, pick one that is reliable and train with it until you can get fast accurate hits. Nothing beyond that really matters! " I agree with Greg's study.
 

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Some may be asking why anyone would ever want to use this caliber as a self-defense round. There are plenty of other rounds out there that are affordable, capable, and accessible for self-defense. The main reason someone would choose it is for the low recoil. While rare, many people lack the strength to effectively handle even a .380 ACP. Concealed carriers owe it to themselves to be as well-armed as physically possible and while most are able to carry a caliber more substantial than .22 LR, some simply can’t. Ammunition in this caliber is super cheap, so you can get in a lot of training for very little money - which is good because you'll need to be well-skilled if you're using it for self-defense. While you should practice proper shot placement with every caliber, with .22 LR, you already behind the power curve.
In addition, firearms chambered in this caliber have hardly any recoil. Even when fired from the smallest guns on the market, the .22 LR is seriously easy to control. Since this caliber is easy to handle, it also makes getting quick, accurate follow-up shots easier, too. Having a gun that's easy to shoot effectively can be a huge deal, especially for a new shooter. The most significant disadvantage of .22LR for self-defense is the rimfire system. Rimfire rounds tend to be less reliable than centerfire rounds. A round failing to ignite can be a significant issue. The second issue that most .22 LR fails to expand when they strike a soft target and can have penetration issues. You’ll need premium grade ammo for defensive purposes for your .22 LR. I strongly recommend the CCI Velocitor copper plated hollow point it's the fastest most accurate 40 grain hollow point on the market , It's velocity is 1435 fps it Hits hard penetrates deep and leaves a significant wound channel. I think 4 shots into the torso and 1 shot to the head or neck in close quarters would render an attacker totally incapacitated if it don't put more shots into the Head , Neck , Torso .
 

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Some people fail to see the forensic study was of 154 attackers 144.76 were stopped by the .22 LR with a handgun pistol or revolver 9.24 were not stopped . still good odds for the .22 LR handgun .Of the 154 attackers shot in the Head Neck or Torso with just one shot 34% of 154 thats 52.36 attackers were fatal with one shot from a .22 handgun. 60% of the 154 attackers stopped with one shot was 92.4 with one shot from a .22 LR from a Handgun .The percentage in this case puts the .22lr handgun a contender in the self defense arena .Read the study its about Handguns not Rifles Some people will look at this data and say “He’s telling us all to carry .22s”. That’s not true. Although this study showed that the percentages of people stopped with one shot are similar between almost all handgun cartridges, there’s more to the story.

In Greg's conclusion of his study he says "The results I got from the study lead me to believe that there really isn’t that much difference between most defensive handgun rounds and calibers. None is a death ray, but most work adequately…even the lowly .22s. I’ve stopped worrying about trying to find the “ultimate” bullet. There isn’t one. And I’ve stopped feeling the need to strap on my .45 every time I leave the house out of fear that my 9mm doesn’t have enough “stopping power.” Folks, carry what you want. Caliber really isn’t all that important. Take a look at the data. I hope it helps you decide what weapon to carry. No matter which gun you choose, pick one that is reliable and train with it until you can get fast accurate hits. Nothing beyond that really matters! " I agree with Greg's study.
My concern is not recoil. I like the idea of a small concealable, comfortable firearm to carry. When I strap the LCP on, after a few minutes, I forget its there.
I use to deer hunt with a Ruger Red Hawk 44 magnum. I reloaded my own loads with hot charges and heavy LBT hard cast bullets. I hunted in bear country.
 

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My concern is not recoil. I like the idea of a small concealable, comfortable firearm to carry. When I strap the LCP on, after a few minutes, I forget its there.
I use to deer hunt with a Ruger Red Hawk 44 magnum. I reloaded my own loads with hot charges and heavy LBT hard cast bullets. I hunted in bear country.
The larger. caliber certainly does considerably much more damage. I have a friend who is a big time fly fisherman and he is often in Montana & Alaska on guided fishing trips and he always brings his .44 Magnum or S&W 500 for protection from Bears . Some of his guides also carry the Rifle in 45-70 & .444 , 375 H&H and they watch for the Bear while he is fishing he said in the past 35 years he has never had to kill a bear in self defense . But the .22LR in close quarters will certainly put an attacker down , There are still cases where regardless of caliber rifle or pistol the attacker was not stopped and those cases are rare. I say carry what you want for self defense . The caliber really isn’t all that important. No matter which handgun gun caliber you choose, pick one and train with it until you can get fast accurate multiple hits on target in close quarters . Nothing beyond that really matters! I carry a 9mm with 14 shots of HST +P rounds & 4 spare mags as my EDC & the Ruger LCP II .22LR with 11 shots of CCI Velocitor as my EDC Backup with 2 spare magazines , but there are times I just carry the LCP II .22LR when I run to the store or other errands or around the yard or in the house or at a meeting where I am signing a contract for my business .Or just a walk with the wife she has her Ruger LCP II .380 also loaded with the HST . I am comfortable with the LCPII .22 LR pistol I am proficient and confident with it and that's about 95 % of being a victor in a fight confident in the equipment and training you have to win . I am a graduate of CQB ( Close Quarters Combat ) training I received as a Paratrooper ,this is special training many never receive other than Police officers it taught me how to be alert & prepared & learn how read the danger signs & have confidence in my training & equipment and know how to remain calm vanquish panic & fear under a stressful event .I found the LCP II .22 LR to be very reliable with the CCI Velocitor ammo ,I have see the effects of this ammo on large & medium sized animals I have seen it put down 300 & 400 Pound Wild Boar several times at a range of 60 yards over bait with a well placed shot to the Boars Head. I have put down 60 pound Coyotes at about 100 yards with a shoulder shot dropping the Coyote after a few spins .I have also used this CCI Velocitor ammo in close range from .22 LR Revolvers & Pistols at ranges of 10 yards 30 feet TO Dispatch these same animals caught alive in Snare traps the .22 LR is every bit Deadly and if it can work on those animals at those ranges it can do the same to a Human in close quarters 0-7 yards that's just 0-21 feet from my personal experience I am confident with this Caliber of Fire Arm & the CCI Velocitor Ammo at 1435fps this ammo is the Fastest & most Accurate 40 grain copper plated Hollow Point on the Market today .In 2 bricks of this CCI Velocitor ammo I never had one to fail to fire in my .22 LR Rifles , Revolvers , Pistols but that's not the case with the cheaper bulk .22 LR ammo. My advice is carry what you want but be confident in it ,train with it until you can put multiple rounds into a targets Torso Head Neck at 7 yards or 21 feet away in a 3 inch group each and every time you train .Lean how to be street wise and read the danger signs until its an instinct never let a perceived threat confronting you get in the 21 ' danger zone back up and retreat the area if you can if the attacker follows and you have to use deadly force it will go in your favor. Remember many attackers like to use an edged weapon as soon as you see the weapon engage the assailant with multiple shots the the Torso Head Neck of the assailant. In that case it's kill or be killed you will react the way you train if you trained poorly your reaction will be poor and you will likely be a victim of Murder or Deadly Assault ." Si vis pacem para bellum"
 
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