[HowardCohodas]

The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

"Don't Talk to the Police" by Professor James Duane - 27 min - May 21, 2008

James Duane explains why innocent people should never talk to the police.

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-4097602514885833865&hl=en&fs=true"

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"Don't Talk to the Police" by Officer George Bruch - 21 min - May 21, 2008

George Bruch from the Virginia Beach police department responds to Professor James Duane's presentation on why innocent people should never talk to the police.

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=6014022229458915912&hl=en&fs=true

 

[Legionnaire]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

I've seen these. Excellent advice, and very consistent with what I learned from Mas Ayoob at LFI-I. If involved in a self-defense shooting, do not talk to the police without your lawyer present.

 

[3ddiver]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

Very interesting. In my CCW class our instructor told us to tell them that you feared for your life and then dont say another word until you get an lawyer, looks like that may even be too much.

 

[hangtree]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

Well I made myself watch both of them and I am glad I did. Thanks for the vids.

 

[Pork Chop]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

Maybe this is a dumb question, but lets say you get pulled over for speeding. Do you say:
- Absolutely nothing, keep your lips sealed
- "I plead the fifth"
- "I don't know"

It seems like saying nothing might be viewed as uncooperative? What do you think? How does this apply to an incident where you use a handgun for defense?

On a side note, I have heard that if you had to shoot someone in defense, when you call 911 you don't say "I shot someone" you say "someone has been shot" on the phone.

 

[jocko]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

Maybe this is a dumb question, but lets say you get pulled over for speeding. Do you say:
- Absolutely nothing, keep your lips sealed
- "I plead the fifth"
- "I don't know"

It seems like saying nothing might be viewed as uncooperative? What do you think? How does this apply to an incident where you use a handgun for defense?

On a side note, I have heard that if you had to shoot someone in defense, when you call 911 you don't say "I shot someone" you say "someone has been shot" on the phone.

why do we hear of "drop guns" being used in leo conversations??????

 

[daffy]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

Great , thanks for this

 

[Niosis]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

The second video is down; got a mirror?

 

[HowardCohodas]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

Seems to be working now.

 

[AZ Outlaws]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

Maybe this is a dumb question, but lets say you get pulled over for speeding. Do you say:
- Absolutely nothing, keep your lips sealed
- "I plead the fifth"
- "I don't know"

It seems like saying nothing might be viewed as uncooperative? What do you think? How does this apply to an incident where you use a handgun for defense?

On a side note, I have heard that if you had to shoot someone in defense, when you call 911 you don't say "I shot someone" you say "someone has been shot" on the phone.

In a traffic stop, have your license and registration ready (I keep mine in an envelope in the glove box so I don't have to fumble around looking for them)and greet the officer politely. If he starts to question you, politely state... "officer, with all respect, I do not care to make any comments at this time", and leave it at that. Chances are, if you are going to get a ticket, he has already made up his mind before he stopped you.

The "uncooperative" thing is a trick that the police use to get you to start talking and eventually put your foot in your mouth.

Never ever say anything to the police, or grant them the permission to search you or your vehicle, your house etc... even if you are innocent. The same applies to ANY situation including a self defense shooting. Believe me, after a shooting you will be in no mental state to be giving statements to anyone. Your going to be taken in for questioning anyway... so wait for legal help before you start talking.

I've been taught to do after a shootng:

- immediately put your weapon on the ground with the front of you foot on it and call 911, identify yourself by name only. Then state there has been a shooting at a certain location and to send an ambulance, say nothing else and do not stay on the line.

- wait for the police to arrive.

- when the police arrive, DO NOT automatically assume the postion of rasing your arms in the air like a BG. Simply put your hands out in plain view in front of you with palms facing upward.

- identify yourself as the 911 caller and imediately ask for legal representation.

One other thing... all these cop shows on TV that show a suspect trying to defend themselves to the police are stupid. Never let it go that far... when taken downtown, again say NOTHING until you have legal representation and demand to be released if they are not going to charge you.

The videos are right on, so do whatever you are comfortable in doing. For me, it's "name rank and serial number" only. Any other comments require I have a lawyer present.

I'm not a lawyer, but that's what I've been taught.... do what you think is best.

 

[icl]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

Ahh, Howard, you draw me out so well.......

#1) If you are stopped for a traffic violation, and asked for a reason: MAKE IT HONEST. If you were speeding because you had to pee, say so, and explain why you didn't pull off and tinkle at the rest area one mile back. (The cop knows where it is...he uses it!) If you bust out with BS, you are done. The bottom line: if you got pulled over, it's because the officer saw you screwing up--you are already playing catch up.....and are probably going to see paper. Not much is going to help. It's just a traffic ticket, for God's sake.

#2) Outside of a traffic stop, if you are being really questioned, it's because you are probably about to be arrested. You aren't going to be able to do anything good about it, SO SHUT UP. Those who can't shut up just give extra ammo. Those who don't are being silly. If it goes TV, and you hear the Miranda.....BELIEVE IT! (And shut the hell up!)

Remember the basic rule: The cops know more about the game than you do. When it seems like it's turning against you, it's because it already has. Don't help. Not unless you are 100% truthful and in are certain you are in the right. You may still be arrested, but at least you are building your defense. (Or fooling yourself) :-\

Remember: Once you have crossed into the "bad" category, everything you say is going to be viewed as bullshit.......

 

[texspecks]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

This has to be the best 48 minutes of law information that is probably available concerning what you should or better yet, should not do when you are innocent and dealing with the Law Community !

Valuable
Important
Informative
Strait forward
Easily understandable

Even by me.


So much better than when I was a kid and was told by my parents at times, "Just do it because I said so!".

Thank You Howard & Elsie Pea Forum

texspecks

 

[BrowardDet]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

Does this mean I can't post anything anymore? Will you all refuse to answer? (-;

I'm so conflicted on giving what IMHO is best, there is much misinformation in this thread,

The whole shoot, call police, give very limited info, wait for cops, give name and DOB like a zombie and state nothing else is a bit hard to chew. I have never seen this in real life. I have been in several justified shootings (civilian and police) and not talking is not gonna get you far.

First, the shoot. Obviously and hopefully it's the BG.

Second, call the cops. It was mentioned to say someone's been shot, which is fine. Believe this though.. If someone's shot, dispatch is going to need further information. This would be something like, how many shooters or BG, (valuable for responding cops to know) IS THE "VICTIM" STILL BREATHING", rescue needs to know this so that they can prepare themselves and hospital staff of an incoming gunshot victim. If this information isn't given, how would that look later in a civil trial.. " Your honor and ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this man in front of you shot poor Timmy. He was INTENT on letting him die, he didn't even tell the police dispatch that he was still breathing after he shot him and to hurry up. He just stood there over his body, staring at poor Timmy with a cell phone in his hand..

The whole gun under foot isn't that tactically sound either. What if the BG suddenly springs back to life and goes for you? When you hear the sirens or the marked units, drop the gun. (hopefully you sent in you LCP for the recall and don't have a AD).

The cops are not as much going to want to question you about your reasons why initially, just the fact that you stuck around is already going to let them know you weren't ill intentioned. They will, however, what to identify you and ask about if there is any other BG's around or at large. You would and should give a brief summary so that they cops will know how to go about the investigation.. "I was getting gas, this BG came towards me with a gun, knife, bat, and demanded my belongings and said if I didn't he would kill me. I believed him. Fearing for my life, well look over there officer.... I am really upset and need time to collect my thoughts".. Most likely a statement won't be requested from you until hours or days later anyway. Do expect to go to the police station and speak to a Detective..Politely ask for legal counsel before providing any recorded statement, it's understandable.

I think it's just as important to defend yourself from being victimized by thugs as it is to look as sympathetic and helpful as possible following the shoot. If you tried and did the best you could to reasonably aid the shot-up BG and can completly justify yourself, you will have no problems later in civil court..

I'm not trying to attack anyone's advice, it's just my 2cents. Everybody has opinions, and this is mine. It's based on real life experience. I'm not juris doctor, nor could I ever be. So, if it works you, it works for me..

 

[Burley]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

Cops always ask, "Do you know why I pulled you over?" Is, "To deprive me of my rights as a US citizen by asking me that question." acceptable? ;D

 

[stevec717]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

Cops always ask, "Do you know why I pulled you over?" Is, "To deprive me of my rights as a US citizen by asking me that question." acceptable? ;D

Well THAT"S gonna get you a bulb out , overdue insepction, or some other nuisance ticket. Steve

 

[stevec717]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

Maybe this is a dumb question, but lets say you get pulled over for speeding. Do you say:
- Absolutely nothing, keep your lips sealed
- "I plead the fifth"
- "I don't know"

It seems like saying nothing might be viewed as uncooperative? What do you think? How does this apply to an incident where you use a handgun for defense?

On a side note, I have heard that if you had to shoot someone in defense, when you call 911 you don't say "I shot someone" you say "someone has been shot" on the phone.

In a traffic stop, have your license and registration ready (I keep mine in an envelope in the glove box so I don't have to fumble around looking for them)and greet the officer politely. If he starts to question you, politely state... "officer, with all respect, I do not care to make any comments at this time", and leave it at that. Chances are, if you are going to get a ticket, he has already made up his mind before he stopped you.

The "uncooperative" thing is a trick that the police use to get you to start talking and eventually put your foot in your mouth.

Never ever say anything to the police, or grant them the permission to search you or your vehicle, your house etc... even if you are innocent. The same applies to ANY situation including a self defense shooting. Believe me, after a shooting you will be in no mental state to be giving statements to anyone. Your going to be taken in for questioning anyway... so wait for legal help before you start talking.

I've been taught to do after a shootng:

- immediately put your weapon on the ground with the front of you foot on it and call 911, identify yourself by name only. Then state there has been a shooting at a certain location and to send an ambulance, say nothing else and do not stay on the line.

- wait for the police to arrive.

- when the police arrive, DO NOT automatically assume the postion of rasing your arms in the air like a BG. Simply put your hands out in plain view in front of you with palms facing upward.

- identify yourself as the 911 caller and imediately ask for legal representation.

One other thing... all these cop shows on TV that show a suspect trying to defend themselves to the police are stupid. Never let it go that far... when taken downtown, again say NOTHING until you have legal representation and demand to be released if they are not going to charge you.

The videos are right on, so do whatever you are comfortable in doing. For me, it's "name rank and serial number" only. Any other comments require I have a lawyer present.

I'm not a lawyer, but that's what I've been taught.... do what you think is best.

I've been through a lot fo tactical/SD scenario training by professionals and the one thing they would disagree with is putting your gun on the ground with your foot on it. For one, that means you can't move or you lose control. If a BG gets up or another comes back, you're SOL. It's also a gun in plain sight, which makes everyone nervous. The procedure as taught by experts in SD is to reholster (secure) the gun and when you call make sure you state (after "someone's been shot") that the gun has been secured. I haven't been in the situation, but this is what I've been taught.

Steve

 

[kyleday]

I was pulled over this morning

Hello Forum Members-

I am new to the forum and recently purchased my LCP from a local dealer here in AZ about a week ago. I have watched these videos twice now and am very impressed with the wealth of knowledge that they have.

This morning while heading to work I was pulled over for speeding going 15+ over. I saw the officer's car at about the same time that my radar detector went off and I knew that I was caught. I immediately started to pull off the road even before he was able to turn his car around. The cop didn't have to travel more than 150 yards to get to where I had pulled off. In the past, this tactic of making the cop NOT chase you down has gained the good will of the officer and I have yet to get a ticket doing this. I immediately pulled out my license and registration and put my hands on the steering wheel as he approached. The officer came to my door and asked, respectfully, if I "knew how fast I was going?" I knew that I was speeding in a 45 zone, and I immediately thought of these videos above. I simply replied "Officer I saw you and immediately slowed down." He replied "But do you know how fast you were going?" Not wanting to admit guilt or give the officer reason to give me a ticket, I replied "no officer I do not know exactly." He commented that he liked the fact that I pulled over for him so quickly and kept my hands on the steering wheel. He also said "You were going 60mph. Thanks for admitting you were speeding. Most people try to play it down by saying 'oh about 5 over.'" He asked me if I had any weapons in the car. I told him that I had a holstered, loaded Ruger LCP .380 in my door map pocket and that I have recently applied for my CCW license. He was calm and respectful. He asked if he could open my door and inspect the weapon. I unlocked my door and returned my hands to the steering wheel. He unholstered the gun, called in the serial number, and returned the gun back to my map pocket. I was amazed that he didn't check it any further and did not unload it. He commented on the importance of self-defense and liked the fact that I was conscious of how to not retrieve my own weapon when asked about it. He simply said "I like your gun, and thanks for being honest" and then he sent me on my way. No ticket, no hassle.

How to correctly handle situations is the key to capitalizing on them.

PS- I am looking for some HPJ .380 ammo, just 1 box. PM me if anyone has some info on where to get some for under a billion dollars.

Kyle

 

[sdkidaho]

Re: The "Never Talk to the Police" Lectures

Great information - hopefully people can remember it when the time arises.

 

[Guest]

Re: I was pulled over this morning

this may seem rather pointless since you "got off." but let me pick apart your post and suggest that you might want to rewatch the videos.....

Hello Forum Members-

I am new to the forum and recently purchased my LCP from a local dealer here in AZ about a week ago. I have watched these videos twice now and am very impressed with the wealth of knowledge that they have.

This morning while heading to work I was pulled over for speeding going 15+ over.speeding - first mistake I saw the officer's car at about the same time that my radar detector went off and I knew that I was caught. I immediately started to pull off the road even before he was able to turn his car around. The cop didn't have to travel more than 150 yards to get to where I had pulled off. In the past, this tactic of making the cop NOT chase you down has gained the good will of the officer and I have yet to get a ticket doing this. I immediately pulled out my license and registration and put my hands on the steering wheel as he approached. The officer came to my door and asked, respectfully, if I "knew how fast I was going?"if you live in a state where you have to "notify" then the first thing you should have said was that you had a handgun I knew that I was speeding in a 45 zone, and I immediately thought of these videos above. I simply replied "Officer I saw you and immediately slowed down." you're admitting guilt. why would you need to slow down if you weren't speeding?He replied "But do you know how fast you were going?" Not wanting to admit guilt or give the officer reason to give me a ticket, I replied "no officer I do not know exactly."so then if you had gone to court, you wouldn't have been able to say that you weren't speeding He commented that he liked the fact that I pulled over for him so quickly and kept my hands on the steering wheel. He also said "You were going 60mph. Thanks for admitting you were speeding.see? Most people try to play it down by saying 'oh about 5 over.'" He asked me if I had any weapons in the car. I told him that I had a holstered, loaded Ruger LCP .380 in my door map pocket and that I have recently applied for my CCW license.lucky you didn't get charged with concealing it He was calm and respectful. He asked if he could open my door and inspect the weapon. I unlocked my door and returned my hands to the steering wheel.you just gave consent to search He unholstered the gun, called in the serial number, and returned the gun back to my map pocket. I was amazed that he didn't check it any further and did not unload it. He commented on the importance of self-defense and liked the fact that I was conscious of how to not retrieve my own weapon when asked about it. He simply said "I like your gun, and thanks for being honest" and then he sent me on my way. No ticket, no hassle. you got lucky - extremely lucky!

How to correctly handle situations is the key to capitalizing on them.

PS- I am looking for some HPJ .380 ammo, just 1 box. PM me if anyone has some info on where to get some for under a billion dollars.

Kyle

 

[kyleday]

Re: I was pulled over this morning

this may seem rather pointless since you "got off." but let me pick apart your post and suggest that you might want to rewatch the videos.....

Chieftp-

I appreciate your comments and completely understand your commentary. My post was mainly to applaud the videos for their content, as well as to outline the productive encounter I had with the officer. Arizona as it turns out is NOT a state that requires notification of concealed carry, however, it is recommended to always notify law enforcement of such. I understand that it was my mistake in speeding, and I at no point intended to claim innocence. My CCW license is valid and I was not in violation of the law with having my LCP holstered in my map pocket. It is my understanding that an officer has the legal right to request permission to view firearms and verify serial numbers, so I granted his viewing of it. Also, the fact that I said that I slowed down when I saw the officer, perhaps this isn't a valid argument, doesn't mean that I knew I was speeding, but simply that I slowed down as a natural reaction and did not observe my speed. I never admitted to speeding (in my mind, but this probably means nothing), even though the officer claimed I did.

Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe I handled the situation correctly.