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Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

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Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

It's rare that you find any one issue of a gun magazine so chocked full of valuable information but the Feb/March 08 issue of G&A's "Handguns" is such a read. From a straight-to-the-point review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo to peforming perfect practice drills, measuring and testing handgun fit, to an excellent buyer's guide on holsters. There's more good information in this one issue than I have found in a whole year's reading of other magazines. But back to the Hornady Critical Defense .380 review by Patrick Sweeney...

Key extracts from Sweeney's article are as follows and you can decide if this is the right carry ammo in your LCP:

- "The FBI has long insisted that anything less than a foot of penetration was deemed insuficient for law enforcement needs, emphasis on long enforcement not for civilian defense. "Hornady specifically designed the Critical Defense line for .380, 9mm, .38 Special and .357 Magnum, the calibers we're more likely to be carrying. The bullet is intended to perform wll in gelatin - clothing or no-but auto glass, metal and pylwood are not as good. That's the price you pay for an easy-to-shoot load that works well in the non-law enforcement world."

- "The (Hornady Critical Defense) .380 load fell short of the FBI minimum, which is 12 inches of gelatin with full expansion. The Critical Defense out of a Ruger LCP managed only nine to 10 inches of penetration. But again, this is designed for civilian needs, not law enforcement, and compared to other .380 loads, this is darned good."

- " As for velocity, the 90-grain bullets averaged a very consistent 860 fps. No, that isn't a blazing speed, but w ho wants to shoot a compact pistol with a .380 load that does all it can to approach 1,000 fps? No, 860 fps is a good velocity when you consider that you get nine to 10 inches of gelatin penetration, Hornady accuracy and reliability, and consistent expansion."

- "If you're certain that you'll be shooting miscreants through barriers such as glass, metal and wood.....Critical Defense is not for you. For the rest of us, who balance all the factors that go into load selection, Hornady has another winner."


I think Sweeney's review pretty much says it all. For those in LE, the best application for this ammo would be for when-all-else-fails backup not for primary carry. For civilians who legally carry, odds are you are not going to have to defeat metal or glass barriers to save your skin, and you might legally challenged if you did so (depending on the situation). But for up front and personal defense, the Hornady Critical Defense .380 makes a lot of sense. My question is how does it perform as a one-stop head shot. I am inclined at this point to load 5 Hornady Critical Defense rounds on top of one Buffalo Bore FMJ or JHC for carry.
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Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

argyle said:
I'll give you a reason that has nothing to do with the ammo itself. With a revolver, one of the best ways to overcome bad shooting habits like anticipation and flinching is to mix some spent shells and live loads and then spin the cylinder. Even better is to have someone else load it and hand it to you. When your sights don't move when you hit an empty cylinder, you know your technique has become consistent and refined. Since you can't do this in an auto, the next best thing is to mix loads so you don't know what is coming next and end up concentrating more on controlling the pistol. You have to really re-acquire a sight picture after every shot. The better you get at putting the bullet where you want it to go, the less important the choice of load becomes.
Your training ideas are right in line with mine. I'm going to consider adding mixing ammo it to my training repertoire. What I do now is have someone load my mag with a snap cap in an unknown position. The majority of my trigger discipline training is done with dry-firing and the LaserGuard. I do a lot of it. It saves on ammo cost. I can do it at home. It's hard to ignore muzzle movement when amplified by a 15 to 20 ft distance to the red dot. I carry two different guns with dramatically different trigger pull profiles, so maintaining proficiency is essential to effective performance.

My head still hurts in trying to come to a plan for my carry profile different than all the same. Oh well.
Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

Snubbie K said:
Kraigster,

I notice you're considering the JMJ flat point now instead of the HP's. I assume that is because, as a back up round, it only will come into play if the Hornady's fail to get far enough in - as it were.

That's probably good thinking. Along those lines - one could even go with 3 or 4 Hornady's followed by 3 or 4 BB's. If a few Hornady's fail, there must be a reason for that and it's time to switch up about half way through the magazine.

Lots of ways to look at things, I guess. That's part of the fun of thinking about these problems. It's also one of the challenges of carryng a marginal gun and trying to be ready for every single eventuality. That's not possible of course. But it is interesting to think of how to cover the most bases.

Better to think of these things now than when the chips are down.
By the 6th or 7th round round the BG may very well be right on top of you if he made it through the first 5. The BB FMJ FN provides maximum penetration, something you very well might need at that point.

In my informal WET pack testing (saturated phone books) some months back, nothing compared to the BB FMJ or the BB JHC in terms of penetration. Emphasis on informal testing as bullets can react in different ways depending on a multitude of scenarios and one can argue wetted phone books may not be the best test medium. Still, I was very impressed. I also have a box of the BB hard cast on its way from Cabelas. I have never tried those but if they feed reliably, they too should be an awesome performer.

http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#380
Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

I would love to see someone test the new Hornady Critical Defense round against the Remington Golden Sabre. The results would be very interesting and would be decisive for many shooters.
Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

^i'm not sure how you can compare those two rounds. isn't the gs round heavier and faster?
Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

kensteele said:
^i'm not sure how you can compare those two rounds. isn't the gs round heavier and faster?
We're talking bullets, it doesn't matter that they are different. Both are .380 rounds and can be fired in our LCP's, which in turn are used for self defense. It would be no different than comparing any other two different rounds. I too would like to see the results of a test showing which has the best expansion and penetration, so I can pick the better of the two.
Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

AZ Outlaws said:
kensteele said:
^i'm not sure how you can compare those two rounds. isn't the gs round heavier and faster?
We're talking bullets, it doesn't matter that they are different. Both are .380 rounds and can be fired in our LCP's, which in turn are used for self defense. It would be no different than comparing any other two different rounds. I too would like to see the results of a test showing which has the best expansion and penetration, so I can pick the better of the two.
my mistake i guess the critical defense round has more velocity than the golden saber.

Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

SugarmillMan said:
I would love to see someone test the new Hornady Critical Defense round against the Remington Golden Sabre. The results would be very interesting and would be decisive for many shooters.
That's the comparison I'm waiting for as well. The results will probably decide it for me. BB of some sort may serve in the mix toward the end of the magazine as Kraigster has been saying. But, likely, the winner of the test you mention will provably be my main carry round (until Federal HST gets into the .380 mix that is).
Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

wow, i think i might have found my atf ammo. i went to the range today with my critical defense 380 and lcp and this ammo is so smooth. if it performs as intended, i think we have a winner. finally i've found a 380 round that is not harsh with too much recoil. this ammo feeds well and it's very accurate and it looks good. lol :)

anyway, if you dislike the pocket 380 because they are hard to handle, hurts your hand, harsh recoil, makes you flinch (from the pain)....look no further, hornady critical defense 90gr FTX is the best! the box reads muzzle 1000fps, 50 yds 910, and 100 yds 841; lcp short barrel probably can't get that. but i love this stuff and it's not overly expensive.

now i can finally put away the dt, dpx, golden sabers, gd's, silvertips, bb, and powrball. :)
Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

without ordering online, where is everyone finding the Hornady critical Defense ammo?
Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

RobR369 said:
without ordering online, where is everyone finding the Hornady critical Defense ammo?
The only place I've been able to find it is online. That is where I bought mine.
Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

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my mistake i guess the critical defense round has more velocity than the golden saber.
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Not really.
Both give around 850 fps from the LCP.
90 gr.=Hornady 102 gr.=golden sabre

More energy for GS for sure. GS don't seem to be plugging in all the tests done and posted on the internet that I've seen.

I suppose plugging "could" be a problem. But I'd like to see the penetration results after going through clothing before making up my mind as to whether I will sacrifice obviously greater energy for the off chance that the person may be wearing clothes that will plug hp's.

Might want to put in a solid BB every few rounds rather than Hornady to get much more energy along with non-plugging. Carry GS as the main round (if, indeed, penetration tests show a much better penetration for the GS over the Hornady).
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Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March

Has anyone used Ranger T 380s in their LCPs?

I currently run GS and my LCP loves them, but wanted to see if anyone was using / had any experience with Ranger Ts. I know they are LEO ammo, but are available to anyone...
Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March 08

my mistake i guess the critical defense round has more velocity than the golden saber.
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Not really.
Both give around 850 fps from the LCP.
90 gr.=Hornady 102 gr.=golden sabre

More energy for GS for sure. GS don't seem to be plugging in all the tests done and posted on the internet that I've seen.

I suppose plugging "could" be a problem. But I'd like to see the penetration results after going through clothing before making up my mind as to whether I will sacrifice obviously greater energy for the off chance that the person may be wearing clothes that will plug hp's.

Might want to put in a solid BB every few rounds rather than Hornady to get much more energy along with non-plugging. Carry GS as the main round (if, indeed, penetration tests show a much better penetration for the GS over the Hornady).

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i like the gs round as well but it would have to penetrate a whole lot more than the critical defense for me to switch back to it. the critical defense ammo has way less recoil, much less harshness, not a lot of blast, much easier to shoot (i call it smooth where you can walk your shots across the paper target)....i have a severe aversion to harsh shooting pocket pistols so ymmv.
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Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March

RHINOWSO said:
Has anyone used Ranger T 380s in their LCPs?

I currently run GS and my LCP loves them, but wanted to see if anyone was using / had any experience with Ranger Ts. I know they are LEO ammo, but are available to anyone...
probably one of the few popular rounds i haven't shot....where to buy online?
Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March

kensteele said:
RHINOWSO said:
Has anyone used Ranger T 380s in their LCPs?

I currently run GS and my LCP loves them, but wanted to see if anyone was using / had any experience with Ranger Ts. I know they are LEO ammo, but are available to anyone...
probably one of the few popular rounds i haven't shot....where to buy online?
Ken,
I got mine from AmmoToGo
Re: Review of the Hornady Critical Defense .380 ammo - G&A Handguns Feb/March

RHINOWSO said:
Has anyone used Ranger T 380s in their LCPs?

I currently run GS and my LCP loves them, but wanted to see if anyone was using / had any experience with Ranger Ts. I know they are LEO ammo, but are available to anyone...
I have some of these my buddy gave to me for a Bday present and if I get to go shooting this weekend I will run some of them over the PACT to see how fast they do. I really like this round, I shot a 45 ACP SXT into riverbed mud the consistency of a body. The wound channel was awesome, you could actually see the tear marks the heavy HP tips made in the side of the cone. But as Hornady has stated, plugging with clothing can cause even these to not behave as intended,
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