Review: Kahr P380 in Guns & Ammo Magazine

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As far as a laser, you don't know that there won't be one offered for the P380 either.
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Jacko:

The Kahr PM9 was first debuted over 6 years ago. I see on the Crimson Trace website that there will be a laser coming out for it soon.

One would hope that (IF you are a laser guy) they will be a little quicker for the P380 laser. But I wouldn't count on it.

They were all over the LCP!

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considering the CTC laser was designed for the Kt first, and the kt 380 has been on the market for over 6 years,,,,, there was basically very little change that had to be made for it to work on the lcp. Not sure to many people are excited about a lasers on a pocket rocket, but evidently you are so the lcp is definitely the best way to go.

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Modifying the CT laser to fit the LCP was a relatively easy adjustment for CT. I think the dovetail sights (especially the Tritium version) on the Kahr380 may reduce the demand for a "dedicated" laser but time will tell.

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I'll pass on anything Kahr makes. The first Kahr I purchased was amost 10 years ago. A K40, it sure felt nice in the hand. The problem is it never functioned correctly. You could not trust your live with the handgun. No joke - I sent the little handgun to Kahr for repair a total of 7 times. They never offered to pay the shipping once. They never fixed the handgun. Needless to say the handgun is someone elses problem. I will never be a beta-tester or owner of a Kahr handgun again.

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kraigster414 said:

Modifying the CT laser to fit the LCP was a relatively easy adjustment for CT.  I think the dovetail sights (especially the Tritium version) on the Kahr380 may reduce the demand for a "dedicated" laser but time will tell.

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I am not convinced that the engineering of the LCP was made that much easier because they had already done it for the P3AT. The design engineers still have the challenge of making it mount such that it will not loose adjustment through use and to conform to the trigger guard shape and position relative to the frame. Usually, the majority of the engineering cost is in manufacturing engineering. Design and testing of molds and such. CT's extremely high standards of quality does not come cheap.

I am led to understand that their model development priorities are largely driven by the success of the handgun under consideration, the perceived user demand and the difficulty of adapting it to the gun under consideration. The only one of these drivers that we have control of as individuals is perceived user demand. Vote on their website. Request a new CT model here: http://www.crimsontrace.com/Home/Support/RequestNewModels/tabid/170/Default.aspx

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HowardCohodas said:

kraigster414 said:

Modifying the CT laser to fit the LCP was a relatively easy adjustment for CT. I think the dovetail sights (especially the Tritium version) on the Kahr380 may reduce the demand for a "dedicated" laser but time will tell.

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I am not convinced that the engineering of the LCP was made that much easier because they had already done it for the P3AT. The design engineers still have the challenge of making it mount such that it will not loose adjustment through use and to conform to the trigger guard shape and position relative to the frame. Usually, the majority of the engineering cost is in manufacturing engineering. Design and testing of molds and such. CT's extremely high standards of quality does not come cheap.

I am led to understand that their model development priorities are largely driven by the success of the handgun under consideration, the perceived user demand and the difficulty of adapting it to the gun under consideration. The only one of these drivers that we have control of as individuals is perceived user demand. Vote on their website. Request a new CT model here: http://www.crimsontrace.com/Home/Support/RequestNewModels/tabid/170/Default.aspx

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u might be right but the guns are so much alike that what design change was made was not like they started out with a blank sheet of paper in making the CTC for the lcp. Much like ruger copying the kt design alot to. the modificatiosn made are very very slight. No doubt though the large amount of lcp sales prompted CTC to get off their butts and get this laser out asap..

I guess for me anyhow, buying a gun would not be prohibited by not having a laser availlable for it, or vice versa.

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I could be wrong but I believe that Crimson trace has already developed a laser for the Kahr 380. There was a gun show in MPLS last spring that had the prototype Kahr with a Crimson trace laser mounted. I could be wrong but I'll try to follow up and see if anyone else remembers this.

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MNBud said:

I could be wrong but I believe that Crimson trace has already developed a laser for the Kahr 380. There was a gun show in MPLS last spring that had the prototype Kahr with a Crimson trace laser mounted. I could be wrong but I'll try to follow up and see if anyone else remembers this.

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that would be nice but I think it might have been the ct laser that iwsnow being offered for the k series kahrs and notthe P380. at the time of the year u are mentioning i think there was only one kahr in existence and that was their own proto. I could aslo be worng.

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jocko I have no doubt the new lcps can take the round count to as my friends lcp has 42 said:

JACKO -
Did you really mean to say 42,000 rounds?

That's, like, a box of 50 rounds every day except weekends and holidays for 3 years straight.

How many years did he have his LCP before it was sent in for the recall? And, does he live at the practice range?

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^iirc correctly, dozens of people took turns shooting his weapon.

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Snubbie K said:

jocko I have no doubt the new lcps can take the round count to as my friends lcp has 42 said:

JACKO -
Did you really mean to say 42,000 rounds?

That's, like, a box of 50 rounds every day except weekends and holidays for 3 years straight.

How many years did he have his LCP before it was sent in for the recall? And, does he live at the practice range?

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no he owns a firing range and had one fo the first 250 made and his comment was he would let everyone shoot it until it broke, he keep very good records to prove his round count, and by the way he is a moderator on the faous kel tec koolaid fanboi blub, so he would have every reason to lie about the performance of the lcp vs the kt. yup 42,000 rounds, kinda har dto believe but those who know this fella would never doubth his honesty..

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kensteele said:

^iirc correctly, dozens of people took turns shooting his weapon.

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Many dozens

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WOW!

Very impressive. Does Ruger have these facts? If not, they ought to pay for this kind of advertising.

As a matter of fact - I'll bet they would pay.

(By the way Jacko - I don't question your honesty at all. Hope you know I didn't mean that in any way.)

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Snubbie K said:

WOW!

Very impressive. Does Ruger have these facts? If not, they ought to pay for this kind of advertising.

As a matter of fact - I'll bet they would pay.

(By the way Jacko - I don't question your honesty at all. Hope you know I didn't mean that in any way.)

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according to the owner of that lcp, Ruger is aware of it and it round count and has the paperwork to back up his round count.

by the way jacko might question you, but JOCKO is ok with it ;D

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ruger has put the lcp thru more lifespan and stress testing than any person can achieve in a lifetime.

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kensteele said:

ruger has put the lcp thru more lifespan and stress testing than any person can achieve in a lifetime.

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indeed but they sure missed some things that they have now corrected that should have been caught in a lifetime of stress testing. The peening on the right side of the allow frame was a glaring error on their part and should have definitely been caught in house., throating the chambers more should have been caught in house.
I also wonder if they have since corrected the broken trigger pivots that have been fairly common also and no mention of this in their recalls in the upgrade listing...

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by the way jacko might question you, but JOCKO is ok with it (Quote)

Funny how the mind works sometimes. We look right at something and see something else.

All this time I've kind of pictured you looking like Micheal Jackson - with one shooting glove.

Snubbie

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Snubbie K said:

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by the way jacko might question you, but JOCKO is ok with it (Quote)

Funny how the mind works sometimes. We look right at something and see something else.

All this time I've kind of pictured you looking like Micheal Jackson - with one shooting glove.

Snubbie

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and I hope your just kiddin ??? ??? ??? ???

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Another issue we don't hear about is the replacement of the inner spring that they have now added a bell on one end. I'm certain I could run the inner spring straight through the outer spring before it went in for the recall. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. There is no mention of this anywhere in the manual but I'm wondering if they had some punch out through the front prior to adding the bell.I have read about this here I believe so I was very careful about inspecting mine when it came back. the bell was on the front,which only makes sense to me. I think.

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MNBud said:

Another issue we don't hear about is the replacement of the inner spring that they have now added a bell on one end. I'm certain I could run the inner spring straight through the outer spring before it went in for the recall. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. There is no mention of this anywhere in the manual but I'm wondering if they had some punch out through the front prior to adding the bell.I have read about this here I believe so I was very careful about inspecting mine when it came back. the bell was on the front,which only makes sense to me. I think.

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I had bought some new replacement recoil springs from Ruger and both ends are the same , no bell shape on mine, Have no idea whey they did that either...or it was some kind of a fluke shipment...