[mrjeep94]

Stopped at Gander Mountain and found that they had LCP's in stock. Looked at the one in the display cabinet, it was a 370-xxxx with the diamond at the hammer. Decided to buy one, when they brought my gun from the stock room, the guy looked at it and said, "Oh your lucky, this is a newer one that does not have the stamp". I thought I lucked out with a 371, but when I looked at it, it was a 370 but no diamond. I told him that I did not think this was modified and he assured me it was. He said they had about 40 of them and they had all come back from being modified. He assured me all was OK, and I went ahead with the deal. Went home and did some research on this site and it seems that if there is no diamond, then it is not modified. So, back to Gander I go. Talked to same guy who quickly referred me to his boss. Before I know it, there are three Gander people standing in front of me telling me all is OK and that I am the fourth person who has questioned this, but it is definitely upgraded. I asked why the one in the display had a diamond and they said it was an older one (but had no real explanation). They said Ruger told them the red sticker/dot on the slide was proof that it was modified and that they were not putting the diamond on new LCP's that are modded, only ones sent in from people who purchased them.

So, what is the truth? Does my LCP have the mods or not?

I am get the feeling they don't know what they are talking about.

Thanks

 

[vsorrentino]

Call Ruger!

 

[mrjeep94]

I tried to call, but they were closed today.

 

[kensteele]

you do NOT have a firearm that has recall work done on it, i'm 95% sure. perhaps your ruger has some OTHER sort of work done to it, so gm crew might be right when they say "the work" has been done and they are certainly right when they say "the pistol is fine" but ruger makes it very clear. a 370- pistol without a diamond has not had the official recall work performed. all 371- pistol have the work performed. perhaps there are exceptions for reasons like special parts inventories, special requests, etc. but ruger is a reputable business and the whole reason why they use the diamond is to avoid the confusion like you encountered and they wouldn't fix a 370- pistol unless it was early before they established the diamond policy. ruger will know for sure when you call them but think of it like this, do you want a 370- without a diamond that a future buyer will certainly believe hasn't been worked on?

 

[nestilllolcp]

Wait, I just received mine last week and there is no diamond. They send me a confirmation later of the recall, the cap and the extra mag, but no diamond

 

[mrjeep94]

Confusing. 370's with diamonds, 370's without diamonds and supposed to be modified, 371's not supposed to have diamonds, but yet there are 371's reported with diamonds,,,,

I would think Ruger would want to make sure ALL 370's were stamped to avoid confusion, and not stamp any 371's

Kensteele, you are right, I would prefer to have a 370 with a stamp to avoid questions if I decide to sell it, or have a 371.

Anyone else have a modded 370 with no diamond??

 

[jocko]

Call Ruger!

indeed call Ruger, it sure sounds fishy to me. Ask for Joe Cramer

 

[kraigster414]

Yes, for the benefit of all here, please call Ruger and if you can get hold of Joe Cramer that's even better. He is familiar with this site and tries to assist whenever he can. My guess is that all 371 guns have the latest upgrades but would like to get the definitive word on this. If you ever wanted to sell a 371 LCP (w/o a diamond), I'd simply tell the buyer he/she can confirm things with a quick call to Ruger. I don't see it as a big deal. I hope you will post the results of your conversation and thanks. 'Like to put closure on this this one once and for all.

 

[MountainGator]

Mine had a Red Dot on the side, it is a 370, and it HAS NOT been modified. I knew this when I bought it, in fact, I intenionally tried to find one that had not goen through the recall, since I wanted to put a couple hundred rounds through it before she went back for recall.
Like I said, the RED DOT does NOT meant it was modified.

 

[jim433489]

I dont like dealing with gander mountain...they charge 10% more than any other gun dealer around...luckly I have many gun dealers to buy from....the sales people act like they are experts, and some of them dont even have a clue...they treat you like you are an idiot for asking questions about a gun that is new to you, and their answers are sometimes wrong...i dont buy from them unless i have too

 

[raton2008]

For the record, I just picked up a 371-00xxx series (yellow dot sticker) and it DOES have a diamond stamp. I'll be calling Ruger on Monday as well to get the scoop. However, I suppose having a 371 and a diamond mark does removed any doubt that it's updated.

 

[LCPSteve]

Hrm, I didn't realize the sticker meant something too. I picked up a 370- with stamp and a green dot sticker from Academy a couple days ago.

 

[devicemanager]

mrjeep94, as with most "big box stores" Gander staff could be misinformed. My 371-00xxx had a blue adhesive dot on the slide and a diamond stamp in the hammer area. Supposedly all 370 w/ a diamond stamp have been thru the recall, and all 371 are post-recall regardless of whether or not they have a diamond stamp.

Did yours come with a Ruger branded hard storage case and extra mag?

 

[kraigster414]

Hrm, I didn't realize the sticker meant something too. I picked up a 370- with stamp and a green dot sticker from Academy a couple days ago.

Thanks Raton. Looking forward to your follow-up on Monday if you can.

 

[jerryliz]

Looking down the back of the LCP with the slide removed you can see the spacer washer installed on the left side of the hammer pin (if you look closely). If this spacer is installed you may have a modified model; however, if it is not, chances are high it is not modified.

 

[rforgy]

I bought a new 370- one and it has the diamond. Per Ruger Web site all 370- that are being sold new will have the diamond.

 

[mrjeep94]

I dont like dealing with gander mountain...they charge 10% more than any other gun dealer around...luckly I have many gun dealers to buy from....the sales people act like they are experts, and some of them dont even have a clue...they treat you like you are an idiot for asking questions about a gun that is new to you, and their answers are sometimes wrong...i dont buy from them unless i have too

I don't like to buy at GM either, but they had one in stock, so I decided not to wait any longer on finding one elsewhere.

Looking down the back of the LCP with the slide removed you can see the spacer washer installed on the left side of the hammer pin (if you look closely). If this spacer is installed you may have a modified model; however, if it is not, chances are high it is not modified.

Thanks Jerryliz, I will check that out and post what I find.

 

[mrjeep94]

I removed the slide and there is a washer on the left side of the trigger assembly, so, is it upgraded?

Are there any other upgraded parts I can check to confirm the upgrade?

 

[mrjeep94]

mrjeep94, as with most "big box stores" Gander staff is misinformed. My 371-00xxx had a blue adhesive dot on the slide and a diamond stamp in the hammer area. Supposedly all 370 w/ a diamond stamp have been thru the recall, and all 371 are post-recall regardless of whether or not they have a diamond stamp.

Did yours come with a Ruger branded hard storage case and extra mag?

I didn't get a hardcase, but I did get two mags, one has the extension.

 

[DesertPunisher425]

I'm surprised no one has givin him this tid-bit yet...


It has been confirmed that LCP's WITH the mod will no longer short stroke. LCP's without the mod WILL short stroke. To test follow these simple instructions (ENSURE THE WEAPON IS CLEAR AND POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION!!!)

-Pull the slide back all the way and release
-Pull the trigger, keep it depressed
-While the trigger is still fully depressed, pull the slide back all the way and release
-Once the slide has been released, slowly start to release the trigger.
-You will hear two clicks if you release all the way, one half way, the other just before full extension
-STOP at the second click
-Pull the trigger all the way to the rear after the second click
-If the hammer drops from it's rest position, you have an LCP WITHOUT the mod.

I can't tell you exactly what will happen if you HAVE the mod as I've not yet sent mine in. BUT, the hammer will not drop from it's rest position; it will either not move or it will move to the rear and then drop.

If it turns out you have an LCP without the mod, I'd go back to Gander with a few pages from this forum printed off and tell them you want just compensation for them selling you an LCP with a recall out on it that has not been completed when they had an LCP which the recall was done on. I'd settle for no less than 15%-20% of the price you paid before taxes either refunded or an in-store credit. I'm pretty sure you can't return the pistol and since this is their error, without a doubt... you even enquired and they assured you it was good... they are responsible. And make the argument that currently, the wait to get on the list, get the pistol sent in and get it returned is around a month and a half to two months... all of this is true. And as a safe gun owner, you can't use the pistol until the recall has been complete. They have sold you a product, which you will be unable to use for up to two months when the quite obviously SHOULD have known the pistol had not had the recall performed.

If you went about carrying this pistol as you bought it, assuming what your dealer told you was correct; that the recall had been done, you dropped the pistol, it discharged, killing a child. Not only would you be in a great deal of trouble, but the dealer would be as well for ensuring you the product had the recall done when EVERYTHING Ruger has put out concerning the recall clearly states:
370 series + diamond = recall complete
371 series = recall complete
370 series no diamond = Recall NOT complete

No where does any publication from Ruger that I've seen mention peal and stick dots as verifying a recall has been done. This is a safety issue, they are not going to mark it in a temporary fashion; it is too much of a liability. They put the diamond stamp on the 370 series so there is NO mistaking if the recall is done or not; removing their liability from someone saying "But I thought it used to have a little red paper dot... they should have had a marking better"... not because they thought the 370 LCPs needed a little "bling".

Good luck!