Does anyone know what modifications Ruger has made with the hammer block on the guns that have been reworked? I am curious why Ruger issued a recall, but keltec has not for the versions that have the same basic design. Is keltec simply ignoring the same consumer safety design flaw? Jocko - any thoughts?
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MY THOUGHT ONLY.....N2LCP said:
you make the decision. Originally the hammer blocks on the ruger and kt were absolutely identical.(they were interchangeable) then about 4 months ago, kt made a hammer block change. Now their reason supposably was to eliminate the short stroke issue, which is not a safety issue in itself and not really a shooting issue if you release the trigger after everY shot, .Every Ruger LCP was subject to short stroking if you did not release the trigger after each shot. You really didn't hear any complaints over that other than I think Todd Green stated that short stroking could be an issue in a stress situation, but it was NEVER an accidental "GO BANG" ISSUE. Now Ruger has come along and recalled every lcp due to a drop safety issue and their hammer block change is now identical again to the new redesigned kt hammer block. both have stated this change for different reasons.
Of course had ruger taken the chicken sh-t excuse and said we are changing this hammer block to eliminate short stroking, then they would have not had to had a total recall. IMO Ruger is doing the right and moral thing to correct a SAFETY issue.
Which by the way Ruger also states that their lcp passed every government drop safety test but evidentely there was a few issues with dropped guns going "bang". could have Ruger just looked the other way as another gun company in my opinion did, YOU BETCHA.
Now you ask for my opinion. I have owned 3 kt's, and I have dropped one of them twice and no bang, but there has been drop tests with the kt's and they have shown firing pin hits on the primers (photos even show this to) but no bang either. to me any time a firing pin makes an indentiation on a primer, u are asking for a "bang".
Kt could never issue a recall, it would break them to do so, they have made way to many for a recall. I would definitely trust the new kt hammer block change over the older version. Those that have the older versions of the kt's (probably 300,000) of them, can get the new hammer block and install it themselves from kt. I would advise doing so FOR SURE.
Ruger IMO copied to much of the kt design and their in house torture testing IMO lacked alot based on the over all success of the kt 380. I want to think that Ruger thought, "heh the kt's have around 300,000 of those pupppies floating around out there and they report NO ISSUES, so everything must be ok. I think it bit Ruger in the butt .
Responsible company Ruger???YOU BETCHA.
Thanks Jocko. I think your dead on with your response. It really sheds light on which company is really more customer & quality focused. My opinion of KT went down the tubes when they failed to act responsibly with the peening guide rod issue with slides a couple of years back, and they sent out defective slides to replace defective slides. I still have 2 Hard Chrome P3ATs sitting in a gun safe that have the old hammer blocks. That lifetime warranty those KT fan boys brag about want be worth much if the company gets hit with a huge liability suit from a known safety design problem. I think I'll take some of your advice & peddle them!
I had two kt 380 slides in a row that the recoil springs came right out the front of the slide. Sent the first one back and they replaced it with a new slide and less than 50 rounds later the recoil springs actually shot out the front of the slide. Sent it back they again replaced it (my opinion, the replacement was the same defective slides) but I never shot it, I just peddled it.N2LCP said:
Now I have often been criticized for horsing around with the kt mini guns for so long, but one has to remember that at the time they were the only game in town, until Ruger came out with the lcp. The kt was the litest and smallest out there. Some owners swore by them to. I bought mine to also shoot and trust me, mine never would hold up. Of the 3 kt's that I owned I had to send them back a total of 17 times (still have documentation to prove it). Now at an average turn around of 4 to 8 weeks and giving kt the benefit of the doubt, you do the math 4X17=68 weeks. 8X17=136 weeks that kt actually had my guns in their building for repair. Why do you think I owned 3 of them??? dumb is as dumb does.....
I spent many years as a contract software developer. I worked for many companies and saw many styles of management.
A frequent phenomenon I observed was "They didn't have time to do it right the first time but they had time to do it over." As a consultant who got paid for every second I was in the building, I loved this kind of stupidity. A three month contract frequently became an 18 month contract. If they actually had given one person a few months to do at least a preliminary design for some of the stuff the ten other contractors and I wrote before we wrote it, that 18 months would probably have been 12. But that "due date" driven approach by the school of "management-looking-good" helped me retire at the ripe old age of 53 after an 18 year career. I had a happily mis-spent youth and got a late start, lol.
I watched a Ruger representative on a YouTube type video on this site. He made a huge point of Ruger's time lines and their commitment to getting the LCP on the dealers' shelves by March and how they beat that by several days. Like a lot of you, I too wish they had spent a little more time and had done it right the first time. I have carried Glocks up 'til now and the concept of evan a "maybe" unreliable gun is a foreign one to me - it takes some getting used to.
Dan in ABQ
A frequent phenomenon I observed was "They didn't have time to do it right the first time but they had time to do it over." As a consultant who got paid for every second I was in the building, I loved this kind of stupidity. A three month contract frequently became an 18 month contract. If they actually had given one person a few months to do at least a preliminary design for some of the stuff the ten other contractors and I wrote before we wrote it, that 18 months would probably have been 12. But that "due date" driven approach by the school of "management-looking-good" helped me retire at the ripe old age of 53 after an 18 year career. I had a happily mis-spent youth and got a late start, lol.
I watched a Ruger representative on a YouTube type video on this site. He made a huge point of Ruger's time lines and their commitment to getting the LCP on the dealers' shelves by March and how they beat that by several days. Like a lot of you, I too wish they had spent a little more time and had done it right the first time. I have carried Glocks up 'til now and the concept of evan a "maybe" unreliable gun is a foreign one to me - it takes some getting used to.
Dan in ABQ
Gang, I don't know if I'm the only one, but I got back my LCP from the recall and the trigger pull is very rough/notchy towards the end just before the hammer drops. What was a good trigger, now basically is a bad feeling trigger. I put a couple drops of oil on the areas I could see and dry fired it a couple of times and it doesn't feel any better. What gives? Perhaps a dab of grease on the hammer/block interface? Dang. I'd hate to take it apart to do that. The trigger was soooo smooth before. Any ideas?
Crazylegs
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Maybe give it some more rounds down range to see if it smooths out some before going any further. You wold have to remove the entire frame off the grip to get to the hammer block even to put a dab of greast on it, and not sure that will help any more either. Lub it up good and oil where u can and shoot it like u stole it..Crazylegs said:
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Weather and other obligations have kept me away from the range since my LCP came back from the hospital. It came back dirtier than I sent it, which surprised me. I cleaned and oiled it and every evening I have dry-fired for 15-20 minutes. The "bump" from the mag release has smoothed out. Cycling to eject rounds has smoothed. And best of all, the trigger has smoothed out. Don't know about the reset yet, obviously.
Now to the range, soon I hope, to requalify it for EDC.
Now to the range, soon I hope, to requalify it for EDC.
Well Gang, I spoke too soon. I just dry fired it about fifteen times and it smoothed out. Evidently oiling it helped as it was pretty dry. Dry firing probably seated it all in. I too, am going to the range to verify its reliability. Sorry for the false alarm.jocko said:
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