[SICARIO]

Apparently Kel-Tec has had problems with short-stroking which would result in a failure to fire. Due to this problem, they've redesigned the internal hammer block. Has anyone had this issue with the LCP? If so, is there a fix on the way?

 

[jocko]

Apparently Kel-Tec has had problems with short-stroking which would result in a failure to fire. Due to this problem, they've redesigned the internal hammer block. Has anyone had this issue with the LCP? If so, is there a fix on the way?

ur not sure it is interchangeable????. really not an issue of one knows how to shoot a gun. I would not consider it a "problem".

 

[rugardan]

Not sure if I had a short stroking problem, but I did get a misfire and ruger asked me to send the gun back because it was an early model LCP. It has been over two weeks now still waiting.....

If all semi auto's have the same short stroke misfire use related issue, I'm not aware that all semi-autos have this problem and am sure the LCP's design has something to do with it.

I want a gun to go bang if the trigger is pulled. If I was in a struggle for my weapon , not sure if I would want to be worried about how far back the trigger was released after the next shell was ready to fire. If they can fix the design to avoid short stroking being an issue it would be helpful in many combat situations one may have getting a full trigger pull and release in.

I have never had a short stroke problem on my other semi autos, shotguns, rifles, or handguns. so maybe the trigger reset point is flawed on the LCP not sure yet.

 

[jocko]

u sure can short stroke a revolver. If you don't let the trigger return properly, you will get nothing. I can short stroke both of my kahrs (never done it) but I can do it. I have 15,800 rounds through my PM9 and never short stroked one time. Proper trigger savvy is needed for any gun. I don't consider it an issue and most kt owners when they realized they were indeed short strokeing corrected immediately. Some just never knew about it. My bet was kt and even Ruger has gotten alot of guns back due to short stroking by the owner and they didn't know about it even. To me not a gun flaw but a shooter (correctable) flaw..

 

[jocko]

Not sure if I had a short stroking problem, but I did get a misfire and ruger asked me to send the gun back because it was an early model LCP. It has been over two weeks now still waiting.....

If all semi auto's have the same short stroke misfire use related issue, I'm not aware that all semi-autos have this problem and am sure the LCP's design has something to do with it.

I want a gun to go bang if the trigger is pulled. If I was in a struggle for my weapon , not sure if I would want to be worried about how far back the trigger was released after the next shell was ready to fire. If they can fix the design to avoid short stroking being an issue it would be helpful in many combat situations one may have getting a full trigger pull and release in.

I have never had a short stroke problem on my other semi autos, shotguns, rifles, or handguns. so maybe the trigger reset point is flawed on the LCP not sure yet.

kel tek has made a change in their hammer block but it still actually doesn't prevent short stroking. What it does do is eliminates the need when you do short stroke to rack the slide about a 1/4 inch to reset the hammer block. You still have to release up on the trigger to make the gun go bang. I think some are under the conception that all one needs to do is pull the trigger and not have to release it to get the next shot. That is not true.

 

[rugardan]

*I think some are under the conception that all one needs to do is pull the trigger and not have to release it to get the next shot. That is not true.*


The issue seems to be a misfire, meaning the primer has been hit with a firing pin, but the shell is not discharged(no BANG).

My point is that design could prevent the firing pin striking the primer unless the trigger has been released properly. Thus remedying the short stroke problem....correct?

What is the definition of a short stroke?

 

[jocko]

*I think some are under the conception that all one needs to do is pull the trigger and not have to release it to get the next shot. That is not true.*


The issue seems to be a misfire, meaning the primer has been hit with a firing pin, but the shell is not discharged(no BANG).

My point is that design could prevent the firing pin striking the primer unless the trigger has been released properly. Thus remedying the short stroke problem....correct?

What is the definition of a short stroke?

ur right in what your saying. a short stroke off the lcp will make a mark on the primer, then the slide must be retracted at least a 1/4" to recock and set the hammer block. What kt did was allow you to then release the trigger and it will reset itself, with no need to retract the slide any. Maybe to some this is an issue. It should not be. Only took kt about 7 years to make this change, maybe ruger will if need be do it in less than its first year. Bottom line is that most shooters have zero issues with letting the trigger reset on any gun, a natural thing to do IMO.

 

[ToddG]

The short-stroke/misfire issue certainly isn't a non-problem. I've had it happen to me and it has been seen as a negative point by some of the gun writers and tactical trainers with whom I've discussed the pistol.

I had it happen to me during a house clearing scenario just this past Sunday. I'd purposely ditched my spare pistol magazine so that when my M&P9 went dry I tried to reload, found no mag, dropped the gun, and drew my LCP. (for purposes of making it through the scenario, I brought along two spare LCP mags which ordinarily I would not have)

Halfway through the second magazine, I had either a misfire or a short-stroke induced misfire while engaging a target.

Here are the reasons why this is a serious problem:

• For someone using the LCP as a BUG, it's reasonable to believe that you went to your BUG because one of your hands was disabled and you dropped your primary. Clearing this stoppage with only one hand is very tricky.
• ANYTHING that causes the gun to go click instead of bang is bad.
• Clearing it requires either a full tap-rack (throwing away 1/6th of your ammunition supply) or a pretty complicated manipulation.

As I've mentioned previously, I've had a few misfires with my LCP. I'm beginning to think it was due to short stroking, though obviously there is no way to tell. I intend to get in touch with a contact at Ruger tomorrow to hunt this down some.

 

[kraigster414]

Todd, the misfires were with what brand of ammo?

 

[ToddG]

kraigster414 -- The first few were with Magtech. I would have shrugged it off but many other members of the forum report 100% function with that ammo.

The one Sunday was with Blazer. It fired about 150 other rounds of the same ammo without a hitch, and only had a problem in the shoot house when I was firing rapidly under stress.

As I said, I'm not 100% certain it was short-stroking but that is my suspicion.

 

[kraigster414]

I always say let your gut feeling be your guide....Nevertheless (and I have never fired Magtech but had lots of light strikes with S&B .380 in my P3AT and have purposely not tried them in my LCP - very hard primers) I have had a few problems over the years with Blazer in other calibers (I wasn't aware they made a .380, live and learn).

You may find this interesting regarding Magtech - apparently there have been reported cases of misfires:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240374

When using the Magtech and/or Blazer, did the striker make contact with the primers at all?

 

[jocko]

I always say let your gut feeling be your guide....Nevertheless (and I have never fired Magtech but had lots of light strikes with S&B .380 in my P3AT and have purposely not tried them in my LCP - very hard primers) I have had a few problems over the years with Blazer in other calibers (I wasn't aware they made a .380, live and learn).

You may find this interesting regarding Magtech - apparently there have been reported cases of misfires:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240374

personally I love mag tec, goes bang in any gun I have ever used. when it got to pricey I just moved on to something else to punch holes in paper with. When I find a good deal on any brand of ammo be it 380 or 9mm, I try to buy a 1000 rounds. So far I cannot beat Wal-mart 9mm winchester 100 Pak, as I get a 10% discount as wifey works there so Iam looking at around $18 for a 100 rounds of 9mm...

 

[kraigster414]

I always say let your gut feeling be your guide....Nevertheless (and I have never fired Magtech but had lots of light strikes with S&B .380 in my P3AT and have purposely not tried them in my LCP - very hard primers) I have had a few problems over the years with Blazer in other calibers (I wasn't aware they made a .380, live and learn).

You may find this interesting regarding Magtech - apparently there have been reported cases of misfires:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240374

personally I love mag tec, goes bang in any gun I have ever used. when it got to pricey I just moved on to something else to punch holes in paper with. When I find a good deal on any brand of ammo be it 380 or 9mm, I try to buy a 1000 rounds. So far I cannot beat Wal-mart 9mm winchester 100 Pak, as I get a 10% discount as wifey works there so Iam looking at around $18 for a 100 rounds of 9mm...

Then for gads sake Jocko, hold on to THIS wife. 10 percent is 10 percent. ;D

 

[jocko]

indeed ;D

 

[ToddG]

I'm definitely not going to fault the Blazer. I've shot almost 55,000 rounds of it in 9mm so far this year with a total of two problems: one blown primer due to no flash hole in the case, and one round that was loaded to a too-short OAL.

 

[HowardCohodas]

I'm definitely not going to fault the Blazer. I've shot almost 55,000 rounds of it in 9mm so far this year with a total of two problems: one blown primer due to no flash hole in the case, and one round that was loaded to a too-short OAL.

55,000 rounds! I'm imagining a semi backing up to your office and a forklift unloading a pallet or two..

 

[jocko]

I'm definitely not going to fault the Blazer. I've shot almost 55,000 rounds of it in 9mm so far this year with a total of two problems: one blown primer due to no flash hole in the case, and one round that was loaded to a too-short OAL.

55,000 rounds! I'm imagining a semi backing up to your office and a forklift unloading a pallet or two..

and I thought I shot alot. hell I'm not even in the same league..

PS. could you be "todd Jarrett""???

 

[funbobby522]

My experience with this is that the main cause is failure to reset the trigger thus allowing you to fire from the half-cocked position causing a weak strike. There are two "clickpoints" in the LCP trigger reset. If you pull the trigger after only one click, this will happen - EVERY TIME.

 

[ToddG]

55,000 rounds! I'm imagining a semi backing up to your office and a forklift unloading a pallet or two..

Depending on the quantity, it looks something like that. I get it in shipments ranging from a few thousand to 25,000 depending on who/where it's coming from. The big orders are usually sent by truck freight. Another 5,000 just showed up yesterday. Guess I'm going to the range tonight. 8)

funbobby522 -- Yes, that's the possible cause of the lph. I've voiced my opinion about it with an exec at Ruger just this morning. We'll see what happens. It's an unnecessary fault in the design. If it continues to affect me during practice, I'll probably revert back to my 442 as a BUG.

 

[jocko]

55,000 rounds! I'm imagining a semi backing up to your office and a forklift unloading a pallet or two..

Depending on the quantity, it looks something like that. I get it in shipments ranging from a few thousand to 25,000 depending on who/where it's coming from. The big orders are usually sent by truck freight. Another 5,000 just showed up yesterday. Guess I'm going to the range tonight. 8)

funbobby522 -- Yes, that's the possible cause of the lph. I've voiced my opinion about it with an exec at Ruger just this morning. We'll see what happens. It's an unnecessary fault in the design. If it continues to affect me during practice, I'll probably revert back to my 442 as a BUG.

Bet there at the drawing board right now. u should go back to the 442 as ur BUG :-\ It will serve u well.