Not with the padding I have. :tennis:
Pocket Holsters~~~Pros & Cons??
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Don't think we can trust the opinion of a man with a vested interest....... Grin
'Sides, I ain't got no padding.
What's your take on the topics at hand, Sir?
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Some lessons are just never forgotten :shocked:
I'll go over some of my evolution on concealed carry. This may not apply to anyone else, but it is my story.
After I decided to get a concealed carry license and while I was going through the application process, I bought a Springfield Armory XD 9mm service model and an OWB holster for it. Realized immediately that was not going to be doable as an every day carry for me. Decided to get a pocket gun and looked at many. But mind you, most of the real popular .380's that are on the market today, were not around then. I wound up with a Seecamp .32 and a Seecamp .380, which I consider the ultimate pocket guns, bar none.
I carried front pocket for about a year, but was never really totally happy with it. Partly because I carry a bunch of crap in my pockets and had to put all my crap in my left front pocket and Seecamps in the front right. I never thought I would like a back pocket carry. But after about a year, I moved my wallet to the left rear and Seecamp in my right rear pocket. All my crap (chap stick, pocket knife, keys X2, money clip, change, and sometimes more stuff) got redistributed in the two front pockets. That has been the way for many years now.
I realized with pocket carry, I could not access the gun as well as I wanted at all times. Especially while seated or driving. I could get some access to back pocket while seated and driving, but front pocket was near impossible to extremely slow. However, pocket carry is an excellent method to conceal a gun and easier to conceal than IWB or OWB, IMO. But pocket carry typically means a smaller lower caliber gun for many people. I know there are some exceptions, but I think that statement is true for many.
I saw lots of recommendations to carry the largest caliber you can shoot well and conceal. So i tried a S&W 442 IWB and that worked pretty well for me. I could shoot it OK and felt it was a better caliber than my pocket Seecamps. It also gave me quicker access. That worked for a couple of years. Then the LC9 came out and I got one of the first ones available. It was so much more comfortable than the 442, because it was thinner. I liked the fact that I had more rounds 7+1, and felt the 9mm was a good defensive round as long as I used good defensive ammo.
I used to carry an extra mag in my pocket for my Seecamp. But after learning about a New York reload, decided to carry the IWB and the Seecamp in my back pocket. The Seecamp fits in any pocket and it can go with me anywhere it is legal to carry.
So I prefer IWB carry for most all of my guns now. And over the past 9 years I've been licensed, lots of guns have come out for the conceal carry market. There are more and more of them as they continue to come out all the time, so there are lots of good choices. And with IWB carry, I can generally carry a much larger caliber than a small pocket gun. Heck with the XDs you can even carry a .45 if you want, and I also carry that instead of the LC9. It hides easily for me as they are about the same size guns.
But the most important thing to remember, is to always carry. ALWAYS! If you have various guns and holsters, you will be much more likely to be armed. So I have several choices for me to use. I have many guns and several different holsters based on the occasion. I'm in south central Texas, so we don't get too cold down here. With cooler weather and jackets, we can carry OWB as well. The problem is we don't have too much cooler weather, so I do not use OWB very much. I've found that there is not a perfect carry gun or holster for all occasions. They are just tools and some tools work better in different circumstances. So I just have more tools.
I'm not worried about a gun in my back pocket and falling on it. I'm not worried about my gun be pick pocketed either. If it gets pick pocketed, I have another to replace it or I'll buy some more. But I have 3 Seecamps that should be able to keep me going for a while. But if I get pick pocketed and know it, that person may be looking at the bigger gun they did not get!
Lastly, the most important thing I have received from my concealed carry license is situational awareness. When I always carry, I always have higher situational awareness. I think that serves me just as much as having a gun.
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When lws380 speaks.......I listen!
That's about as good an experience and rationale summation on the subject as I've ever encountered. Still not enough butt padding on me for back pocket and the front pockets are crowded already but a combo of IWB Shield 9 and LCP shoulder/armpit could be a semi-equivalent.
What are your considerations on IWB styles and locations?
Snewk
That's about as good an experience and rationale summation on the subject as I've ever encountered. Still not enough butt padding on me for back pocket and the front pockets are crowded already but a combo of IWB Shield 9 and LCP shoulder/armpit could be a semi-equivalent.
What are your considerations on IWB styles and locations?
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Fair enough, BearMan. Perspective time....5'7" and once a muscular lean 145 lbs. but now a scrawny 125. The only place I can conceal a full-sized pistol isn't on but up my six. Plenty of room there but fast draws make my 'rhoids bleed.
der bigmouthed small fish Snewk
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Kinda' adds another definition to "Boot Grip" don't it...........( &>0#
Also clarifies why my Charter snubbie is "Stainless".
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@LWS..... pics of your seecamps sir, or it didn't happen..... I've admired seecamps for a moon..... have considered in the past, blah blah blah.... pics......
snewk back pocket carry would be perfect for you it makes you appear you have something back there.... I've carried my elsie in back pocket with my leather holster, some pants pockets are just to shallow.... comfy though......
snewk back pocket carry would be perfect for you it makes you appear you have something back there....
I've carried my elsie in back pocket with my leather holster, some pants pockets are just to shallow.... comfy though......It happened! Here are my 3 Seecamps. I had 7 at one time and decided that might be considered excessive, so I've paired it down to 3 for now.@LWS..... pics of your seecamps sir, or it didn't happen..... I've admired seecamps for a moon..... have considered in the past, blah blah blah.... pics......
Many of the conceal carry guns today are not that big. It appears gun makers are always trying to come out with guns that are concealable. With the increased conceal carry, that seems to be the market many are going after.
Personally, I like a single clip on IWB holster for the vast majority of today's carry guns. I've tried double clip on holsters as well as double loops that snap on both sides of a holster. For me they are just harder to adjust on the belt and harder to get on and off, when compared to a single clip. I don't like having to take my belt or pants off to adjust or put on a holster. They are just not for me.
If you are right handed I think most people carry between 2 and 5 o'clock on the waist line. Similar positions for a left handed person. I like 3 o'clock, but would say most don't like that position. I think it is more common around 4 o'clock for most. Some can appendix carry, but that does not work for me. Appendix carry seems fine for me as long as I'm standing. But if I sit down guns tend to jab me in the leg and they are not comfortable while sitting or driving with appendix carry.
I think cross draw is the least used IMO. If you have a belly, cross draw does not work that well (don't ask how I know that :sorrow
. One thing I have against cross draw is the proximity of a close attacker stopping me or inhibiting my draw from the holster. I believe FBI stats show 80%+ of all shootings occur within 10 ft. and that is pretty darn close. And typically attacks happen very quickly, and it will not likely be similar to standing in front of a paper target while taking your time to squeeze off that perfect shot. I like having the gun on my strong side, so that I can pivot my body and gun side away from an attack and use my left hand defensively if needed. That may give me just a tad bit more time to draw. Cross draw brings the gun right between you and an attacker and you may not be able to control the gun as well if the attacker is very close.I also suggest wearing a very loose shirt to help hide the gun. Dress around the gun and that may mean to change your dress and what you wear to effectively conceal your gun. Those that are not willing to change their dress or how they dress are going to find it a little harder to conceal and carry all the time.
Again the most important thing is to always carry. What ever it takes to accomplish that is the key. You can always adjust carry methods as you learn more stuff and have some experiences.
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http://seecamp.com/
Thanks, lws380!
Very Nice Seecamps! Is the lower one the first you bought?
Snewk
Thanks, lws380!
Very Nice Seecamps! Is the lower one the first you bought?
Snewk
Well it may not be too much longer. The rumor is that Glock will use the new Glock 42 platform for a new 9mm version. That will be a HOT seller! IMO
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The top one is my first, and it is a .32 caliber that I carry all the time. The bottom one is a .380 that I got about 2 months after the .32 and do not carry it much. It has a personalized serial number and if you can enlarge the picture, you can see the serial number. The middle one I got about a year or so after the first two. As mentioned--they are the ultimate pocket gun IMO. Fits any pocket and hides easily. Never met a pocket that did not conceal it.
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Saw that serial number starting withh a stack of Zeroes and that's what made me ask. I'm blanking on the company in NY that makes a pistol about that size. Think it starts with an "R". Seecamps look like what Bond should have been carrying!
der coveting Snewk
(hey, mister, can I hold your pistol?.....................................run lak' Hell.........)
Those are not zeros. The serial number is DOUGS380.
I think you are thinking of the Rohrbaugh R9. Rohrbaugh sold the company to Remington at the end of last year and they are not making guns in NY anymore. For that matter they have not produced a single gun since. Supposedly, they are moving to another state to produce guns. But they are not currently doing repair or warranty work, but trying to set that up apparently. Some think they may never make the R9 again. I guess time will tell. But the transition can best be described as terrible with no feedback from Remington.
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