New LCP II with major problem

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cannady

Discussion Starter · Feb 20, 2017

After reading all of the good and not-so-good reviews here on the LCP II I took the plunge and bought a new one. I disassembled and cleaned it, lubed the rails with a little grease, then took it to the range. The first 14 rounds were perfect. Then, on the 4th round of the third magazine the trigger froze. I was unable to pull it to the rear. After releasing the trigger and carefully depressing the trigger safety, which is what was keeping the trigger from moving, the trigger would move to the rear, but it would not engage the hammer. I was squeezing the trigger and I could see that the hammer was all the way back, not half cocked, but the trigger was not releasing the hammer. When I racked the slide and ejected the current round the gun would fire normally until the magazine was empty. This happened on each subsequent magazine, usually the second through the fourth round is where the problem occurred. I cannot replicate it by racking the slide on an empty magazine.

Has anyone else seen this?

Ruger is closed today but they are getting a call tomorrow.

Jim

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bld522

· #21 · Feb 23, 2017 (Edited)

cannady said:
Has anyone actually put hundreds of rounds successfully through a LCP II. I'd like to think that I could get mine back and be able to do that. I am certainly not going to carry it when it returns from Ruger without a few hundred problem-free rounds. I sold a Seecamp .380 yesterday because I couldn't get more than 50 rounds through it without having to take it apart. I know that tiny guns have tight tolerances and I know that I am a LCP II beta tester, but I expected more from Ruger. My LCR .327 is perfect.

Jim

Alas, yet another reason revolvers will never go away . . . fewer moving parts.

Should you carry your LCP II when it gets back, Jim? I wouldn't. Nor would I rely on anyone else's experience to help guide me with a pistol as new as the LCP II. What I'd suggest you do instead is BE the "beta tester" you see yourself as and shoot your LCP II as often as time and resources permit. Clearly Ruger will continue to stand behind it and they will, I'm quite confident, make that model as reliable as they can given the constraints they've put on it (i.e., size, weight, materials, price point, etc.). Whether or not it will ever be reliable enough to satisfy you, however, is a question only you can answer. The proof of that is all over this forum. It's 9 years later and we're still arguing about its predecessor's reliability.

Your other choice, of course, would be to sell your LCP II when you get it back, put your LCR .327 in your pocket, and call it a day!

mr.mike1407

· #22 · Feb 23, 2017

cannady said:
Has anyone actually put hundreds of rounds successfully through a LCP II. I'd like to think that I could get mine back and be able to do that. I am certainly not going to carry it when it returns from Ruger without a few hundred problem-free rounds. I sold a Seecamp .380 yesterday because I couldn't get more than 50 rounds through it without having to take it apart. I know that tiny guns have tight tolerances and I know that I am a LCP II beta tester, but I expected more from Ruger. My LCR .327 is perfect.

Jim

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Hi cannady , As I am sure you know you should not carry any gun you are not reasonably confident in. Any new gun I get stays as range gun until I have that confidents no matter the manufacture.
I do wonder how the number of problems compares to the number of LCPII sold . I would guess it is very small.
We , wife & self , have an original LCP she after off & on again has kept it as her carry. As dependable as it is , it did take maybe a 100 rds before it would cycle HP's.
That said I have been meaning to get one for myself , every time I started to look I heard of a new one that I could not find. This one did get my attention because it addressed
I think all the concerns I had with the LCP we have. Better trigger , that breaks a little forward & lock open after last round.
I went to the range / gun store Tuesday & for the first time they had one so yes I tried to buy it , but for some reason I got put on delay with my B G check , if I don't hear from them I will pick it up Saturday.

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mr.mike1407

· #23 · Feb 23, 2017

Hi everyone I am mike from Ga. I did lurk around reading some very good conversations about the LCP II & the customer service by Ruger.
I have & have had Rugers but never had to send one back.
I don't think enough can be said for / about good American gun manufactures that will not only stand behind their products but will make it as easy as they can for you to get service.
I , a while back , got tired of trying to find the pocket pistol I wanted , they were always all sold out.
I got a gun form Argentina , a PPK clone , seemed like cool little gun to have , but when putting it through it's range time I found a problem.
One thing lead to another & I came to find out that by the time I paid my FFL to ship & the shipping to someone in the US that could do warranty work i would be out almost half the cost of the gun & by the way not knowing if it was covered.

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ETS

· #24 · Feb 23, 2017

Welcome to the Forum, mr.mike1407. Am anticipating your further posts.
By the way, stopped by local Bass Pro shop yesterday and saw they had LCP IIs in stock at $299.

mr.mike1407

· #25 · Feb 23, 2017

ETS said:
Welcome to the Forum, mr.mike1407. Am anticipating your further posts.
By the way, stopped by local Bass Pro shop yesterday and saw they had LCP IIs in stock at $299.

I paid $319 guess it was worth it, I am not close to a B P Shop , what bothered me was the delay.
It has been a while since I bought a gun but had no problem & I have to have a back ground check every year or so with my work.
They said it happens some times , said it even happened to a Police Officer , so we will see Guess I will call Saturday before I go.
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Thanks for the welcome

eaceful:

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rayzer007

· #26 · Feb 23, 2017

mr.mike1407 said:
Thanks for the welcome eaceful:

Why don't you submit a post on the new members forum Mike, that way everyone can say hello. Tell us a little about yourself.
By the way, "Hello, and welcome to the club!"

Ray

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r1dramma

· #27 · Feb 23, 2017

cannady said:
Has anyone actually put hundreds of rounds successfully through a LCP II. I'd like to think that I could get mine back and be able to do that. I am certainly not going to carry it when it returns from Ruger without a few hundred problem-free rounds. I sold a Seecamp .380 yesterday because I couldn't get more than 50 rounds through it without having to take it apart. I know that tiny guns have tight tolerances and I know that I am a LCP II beta tester, but I expected more from Ruger. My LCR .327 is perfect.

Jim

I put 250 rounds so far, 3 range sessions not one hiccup using PMC bronze, Herter's, Blazer brass & Hornady critical duty.

Cannady hopefully Ruger will get it sorted for you.

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boo

· #28 · Feb 28, 2017

cannady said:
After reading all of the good and not-so-good reviews here on the LCP II I took the plunge and bought a new one. I disassembled and cleaned it, lubed the rails with a little grease, then took it to the range. The first 14 rounds were perfect. Then, on the 4th round of the third magazine the trigger froze. I was unable to pull it to the rear. After releasing the trigger and carefully depressing the trigger safety, which is what was keeping the trigger from moving, the trigger would move to the rear, but it would not engage the hammer. I was squeezing the trigger and I could see that the hammer was all the way back, not half cocked, but the trigger was not releasing the hammer. When I racked the slide and ejected the current round the gun would fire normally until the magazine was empty. This happened on each subsequent magazine, usually the second through the fourth round is where the problem occurred. I cannot replicate it by racking the slide on an empty magazine.

Has anyone else seen this?

Ruger is closed today but they are getting a call tomorrow.

Jim

Please post in the LCP failure poll.

LasVegas

· #29 · May 24, 2017

cannady said:
Has anyone actually put hundreds of rounds successfully through a LCP II. I'd like to think that I could get mine back and be able to do that. I am certainly not going to carry it when it returns from Ruger without a few hundred problem-free rounds. I sold a Seecamp .380 yesterday because I couldn't get more than 50 rounds through it without having to take it apart. I know that tiny guns have tight tolerances and I know that I am a LCP II beta tester, but I expected more from Ruger. My LCR .327 is perfect.

Jim

About 400 rounds fired, majority of which was Federal American Eagle. Zero failures. Could be beginner's luck.

bld522

· #30 · May 24, 2017

boo said:
Please post in the LCP failure poll.

You can do that yourself, boo. Just quote cannady's post as if you were going to reply to it, highlight and copy the entire post, open up the LCP failure poll, and paste it into a new post. Then say a few words to identify that it came from another thread, save it, and you're done.

PS: Doing what I'm suggesting amounts to quoting someone. But the quote is from INSIDE the forum, not from outside the forum. So I assume that's OK with the mods. If not, please delete this post! Thanks.

mtkfish

· #31 · May 25, 2017

keithdog said:
I was all prepared to purchase the LCPII, but with all the problems I keep reading about involving the reliability of this gun, I think I will put off that purchase for a while. One would think that a fine company like Ruger could put a gun on the market that was so highly vaulted, and still is widely praised, that would also be reliable. No one should have to buy a gun and return to the manufacturer multiple times to get one that works consistently.

Ruger's quality control sucks! I am sick and tired of hearing how good their customer service is. Considering the fact that they copied this gun from Kel-Tec, you would think that they could get it right after 10 years! This is a defensive carry pistol where people's lives are on the line and they can't even get it right. A defensive carry gun should work out of the box EVERY TIME.....no exceptions!

I am fortunate that my Generation 1 always works, long trigger pull and all, but I am really disheartened to hear about many of you folks experiencing these problems. Even if it is only 5% of all the LCP's manufactured, or 1% for that matter, in these types of defensive carry weapons, it is too much.

Ok, enough of my ranting, just sorry to hear about these problems.

pennsy

· #32 · May 25, 2017

It is the same story with everything made today . All companies are guilty of it . Toyota , Honda , etc. I think it all boils down to labor costs and the whole global economy thing . Build things as fast and cheaply as possible and replace or repair the bad ones . Workmanship is a lost art sadly . Same with the construction industry . Even our health care system is a product of the new economy . See as many patients as fast as possible . It is the way of the world . The bottom line is all that matters anymore . Keep the stock holders happy .

mukwah

· #33 · May 25, 2017

Global QC problems, even at McDonald's! I think it's a lack of work ethic and work pride.

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jhb

· #34 · May 25, 2017 (Edited by Moderator)

I spent most of my working years in manufacturing cnc operator, tool maker, machinist. The part quality is built into the process of building what ever is being produced. Gun ,car, appliances, every thing that is being manufactured is made that way. The problem areas are design, material selection, machines used to produce the parts, machine operator, assembler, and last but not least the end user of the product. The major difference between now and 50 years ago are materials and volumes. Plastic grip frames ,MIM small parts etc.. The next thing what was the demand for any one model hand gun in 2000 then look at the demand in 2010 for the same gun. This went across the board for most hand guns. As you produce more product you increase your chance of lemons. Higher production means more help to run it. Now with the attitude of a lot of people ah that is good enough or who cares it is just a job. Then we have the internet to spread the problem. Then last but not least - new gun owner, didn't clean it, bubba's reloads, aftermarket parts. What most people want and are willing to pay for it are two different thing. Prime example look at what Wilson combat charges for a hand fit gun and even then they make mistakes. I want it cheaper and now this is the reason you get what you get. I think Ruger is doing a good job considering what they have to work with and what the demands are.

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ETS

· #35 · May 25, 2017

Let's see-----Global Economics, Global QC problems.......Has anyone considered Global Warming??

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bld522

· #36 · May 25, 2017 (Edited)

jhb said:
I spent most of my working years in manufacturing cnc operator, tool maker, machinist. The part quality is built into the process of building what ever is being produced. Gun ,car, appliances, every thing that is being manufactured is made that way. The problem areas are design, material selection, machines used to produce the parts, machine operator, assembler, and last but not least the end user of the product. The major difference between now and 50 years ago are materials and volumes. Plastic grip frames ,MIM small parts etc.. The next thing what was the demand for any one model hand gun in 2000 then look at the demand in 2010 for the same gun. This went across the board for most hand guns. As you produce more product you increase your chance of lemons. Higher production means more help to run it. Now with the attitude of a lot of people ah that is good enough or who cares it is just a job. Then we have the internet to spread the problem. Then last but not least - new gun owner, didn't clean it, bubba's reloads, aftermarket parts. What most people want and are willing to pay for it are two different thing. Prime example look at what Wilson combat charges for a hand fit gun and even then they make mistakes. I want it cheaper and now this is the reason you get what you get. I think Ruger is doing a good job considering what they have to work with and what the demands are.

Precisely. Folks are living in a dream world if they think a mass-produced micro-pistol that sells 1,500,000 units over 9 years, has lots of moving parts, requires proper maintenance and some degree of skill to shoot properly, and sells for around $200 won't end up with some lemons. And those who confuse QA with CS deserve what they get. (For those who don't know, QA occurs before the sale. CS occurs after the sale. If a company's CS is good enough, it can overcome a whole host of sins committed by QA. Maybe that's one of the reasons why we don't hear a lot of complaints about the LCP. Ruger knows a certain number of LCPs will require service and when they do, Ruger's CS simply steps in and fixes them. It's cheaper to do that than spend a whole lot of money trying to improve QA knowing that no matter how good it gets, some lemons will STILL get through. LCP owners who think that isn't good enough don't have a problem with their pistols. They have a problem setting reasonable expectations.)

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pennsy

· #37 · May 25, 2017

I bought a new 09 Corolla that has had 4 recalls plus 4 other major issues that should have been recalls but were not . This is a car noted for reliability and has been made for years . Honda small engines used to be the standard of reliability . They are now outsourced to Thailand and no longer made in Japan and it shows . Ruger is probably better than most for QC all things considered .

jhb

· #38 · May 25, 2017

Toyota has an electrical problem since the mid 70s they haven't fixed. Sarbu has certain engines that leak oil since they were introduced. This can go on and on about any thing made now a days. It is a lot easier to do your home work with the internet. You just have to weed out the posters that have to post weather they know what they are talking about or not and the person that that has to post the same gripe in 10 different threads in 5 forums.

pennsy

· #39 · May 25, 2017

jhb said:
Toyota has an electrical problem since the mid 70s they haven't fixed. Sarbu has certain engines that leak oil since they were introduced. This can go on and on about any thing made now a days. It is a lot easier to do your home work with the internet. You just have to weed out the posters that have to post weather they know what they are talking about or not and the person that that has to post the same gripe in 10 different threads in 5 forums.

Electrical is the one thing I have not had problems with . Looking forward to that .

jhb

· #40 · May 25, 2017

They shut off motor quits the whole 9 yards. My sister had 3 that did it my niece 1 and a friend 4 all different years and models. Needless to say not a Toyota among the three of them now

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