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I'm not sure there are any unarguable objective reasons to cite. For me, I liked the fit and finish and the additional heft of the LCP. These objective measures target my subjective feelings that these attributes translate to a better pistol. This additionally translates into more confidence that it will perform when I need it.
Now for the rest of the story. I saw one, I handled it, I wanted it. It wasn't until I was committed to it that I even bothered comparing it the P-3AT.
Now for the rest of the story. I saw one, I handled it, I wanted it. It wasn't until I was committed to it that I even bothered comparing it the P-3AT.
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Okay... I'll buy into this, my feelings exactly.HowardCohodas said:
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When you hear the name Ruger a company that has been making guns scenes 1949, you can connect it to the 10/22 the most successfull and customized semi-auto rimfire ever made (over 5 million) and the Blackhawk revolver, mini-14, shotguns and high end rifles that tells you the Ruger name means well made firearms and customer service to match. Kel-Tec has been manufacturing guns scenes 1995 a small semi-auto line and a couple of rifles,not to take away from there success so far, but lets see were they are in the gun market after the same amount of time (60 yrs.) as Ruger. John
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http://elsiepeaforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=586.0
The referenced article in the latest issue of G&A Handguns Magazine would be a starting point. It pretty much sums things up - a fair and objective quick read with no hidden agenda and written by a respected reviewer with no ax to grind. I really don't know what I (or anyone else) can add.
The referenced article in the latest issue of G&A Handguns Magazine would be a starting point. It pretty much sums things up - a fair and objective quick read with no hidden agenda and written by a respected reviewer with no ax to grind. I really don't know what I (or anyone else) can add.
There are some things that just feel "right". My wife has a Kel-Tec and it has worked just fine.
I looked at the NAA Guardian as I like my stainless pistols. But when I picked up a LCP, it just felt "right". Obviously what we like is so subjective, and there are many different excellent guns. Ruger has specialized in good quality, reliable firearms.
My favorite guns have mostly been bought on feel, and I do alot of research before I buy, but I haven't regretted any purchases I've done. (Let's not get into the regrets of the pistol's I've sold!)
I look forward to using my LCP when I'm not in a position to carry my 10mm's.
I looked at the NAA Guardian as I like my stainless pistols. But when I picked up a LCP, it just felt "right". Obviously what we like is so subjective, and there are many different excellent guns. Ruger has specialized in good quality, reliable firearms.
My favorite guns have mostly been bought on feel, and I do alot of research before I buy, but I haven't regretted any purchases I've done. (Let's not get into the regrets of the pistol's I've sold!)
I look forward to using my LCP when I'm not in a position to carry my 10mm's.
After watching a friend's new Kel-tec jam time after time with two different magazines and different ammo types, I found the decision to go with the LCP easy.
After all, if I have to throw the gun at the bad guy it needs to have more mass than these two guns! :
After all, if I have to throw the gun at the bad guy it needs to have more mass than these two guns! :
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Now that's funny.F1Rocket said:After all, if I have to throw the gun at the bad guy it needs to have more mass than these two guns! :
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+++++1 on that!!!!!!!!F1Rocket said:After watching a friend's new Kel-tec jam time after time with two different magazines and different ammo types, I found the decision to go with the LCP easy.
After all, if I have to throw the gun at the bad guy it needs to have more mass than these two guns! :
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You have to understand that if you posed the same question at a keltec site, you more than likely would get responses skewed in favor of the P3AT. Some folks prefer the P3AT, others the LCP and some like/carry both. Fact of the matter is, in terms of reliability both the LCP and current model (2nd generation) P3AT are comparable, that was not the case with the early 1st generation P3AT's that were problematic to say the least. The consensus of most magazine reviewers and those such as myself who own both a P3AT and an LCP is that that LCP is a more refined weapon overall. Both guns however benefit from a bit of home gunsmithing to ensure enhanced functioning such as polishing the barrel's feedramp and throat, liberal lubrication, and frequent cleaning - tolerances are tight in these little guns and the build up of crud can easilly effect relilability. For more information, there are links to reviews of the two guns in this forum and I recommend you take a look. For information specific to the P3AT, www.ktog.org is the place to go. The stock slide finish on both guns is comparable (in short, not great) however that should be a minor concern - slides can always be refinished.skystud1 said:
I have several friends who love the KelTec. A few of them are even Law Enforcement Officers who rely upon it as a backup duty weapon. For me, it was simply a matter of what "feels" good primarily, along with the reputation of Ruger. The minute I held the KelTec in my hand, I didn't like the feel of it. Despite the fact that it may be a perfectly reliable little weapon, it just felt cheap to me. The LCP, on the other hand, felt like a weapon of much higher quality. So to me, the combination of a very solid-feeling weapon, combined with the history and experience of Ruger was a winning combination.
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After owning several Keltecs, I was had the LCP bug bad!
So I bought two.
That said, after breaking em down, I didn't see any great improvement on the Keltec.
The Keltecs worked fine, the LCP's worked fine.
I actually greatly prefer the Keltec trigger. By a long shot.
So I bought two.
That said, after breaking em down, I didn't see any great improvement on the Keltec.
The Keltecs worked fine, the LCP's worked fine.
I actually greatly prefer the Keltec trigger. By a long shot.
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That LCP trigger pull just goes forever.
People should shoot them side by side. Sure the LCP cosmetics are better, it looks like a "melted " KT. Sort of. Very smooth and finished lines.
But if you shoot them side by side, I don't think too many people would choose the LCP.
People should shoot them side by side. Sure the LCP cosmetics are better, it looks like a "melted " KT. Sort of. Very smooth and finished lines.
But if you shoot them side by side, I don't think too many people would choose the LCP.
don't have my kt's any more for comparison, but personally my lcp trigger is fine with me. I can't figure out why it would be longer in as much as the internal parts are identical, trigger bar and pivot are identical. The hammer spring on the lcp is stiffer than the kt's. Could you just be feeling the heavier poundage trigger pull of the lcp. I had 3 kt hammer springs break on me and that was the first hing I looked at when I bought my lcp, the hammer spring. To me it is definitely bigger in diameter, the trigger pull is more than the kts. I have never read of a hammer spring breaking on an lcp--yet.gatorhugger said:
Side by Side, I would still choose the lcp, been there done that with the kt's. This willbe my first trip back to Ruger with my lcp, I will give them one chance to please me. I gave kt 17 chances. I won't go through that anymore for a Ruger, Kahr, Sig, Glock.
Course Gator, I have found my trigger pull to be less when shooting DPX instead of those butt bullet Golden Sabres that you shoot. That probably is the reason for sure a loooong trigger pull ;D ;D ;D ;D
had to get that in ol buddy....
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Given what the LCP is intended for, I think the trigger is plenty adequate. In addition practice and familiarity have a lot to do with it. I have owned 5 pocket Ketec's - two P32's and three P3AT's. Personally, I can't see/feel a whole lot of difference considering these are essentially point and shoot (at extremely close distances) weapons and for many like me, primarily backup, when-all-else-fails safeguards. Any perceived or felt trigger difference between the two would not be a show stopper for most people versus other perceived or real attributes. In short, there are other factors that cause folks to gravitate towards the LCP. Trigger consideration/differences weigh far more heavily when considering the purchase of larger, more expensive and conventional semi automatics.
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I am not sure if the heavier spring is the issue. To me, and to my shooting partners, we were shooting them side by side.
To a man, everyone said the KT has a shorter trigger. It is all subjective feel, but when you have a bunch of unbiased shooters all saying the same thing, somethings up.
I didn't measure it, I wouldn't know how to measure it.
But try it if you can. the results surprised even me. the trigger has to go all the way back to the rear of the trigger guard to make the hammer cycle.
on the keltec, it feels definitely like that lenght of pull is shorter to make the hammer fall.
is it a deal breaker, possibly no. but it is one of the very few noticeable areas where kt got one up on the lcp.
and it is an important area in fast defensive shooting, it should not be pooh paahed as insignificant, and the messenger is not at fault.
It is what it is.
Another factor to weigh when purchasing, and to overcome in practice if you decide to buy this gun.
To a man, everyone said the KT has a shorter trigger. It is all subjective feel, but when you have a bunch of unbiased shooters all saying the same thing, somethings up.
I didn't measure it, I wouldn't know how to measure it.
But try it if you can. the results surprised even me. the trigger has to go all the way back to the rear of the trigger guard to make the hammer cycle.
on the keltec, it feels definitely like that lenght of pull is shorter to make the hammer fall.
is it a deal breaker, possibly no. but it is one of the very few noticeable areas where kt got one up on the lcp.
and it is an important area in fast defensive shooting, it should not be pooh paahed as insignificant, and the messenger is not at fault.
It is what it is.
Another factor to weigh when purchasing, and to overcome in practice if you decide to buy this gun.
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Then I think we are essentially in agreement Gatorhugger.
When the KTs first came out...I wanted to try one...Dealer put one in my hand...never did even fire the thing just handed it back. Kept carrying my 38 Snubbie..When the LCPs came out, did the same thing...once in my hand, I bought it...shot it...then bought 3 more...
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