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Hi I live just down the road from the Ruger plant here in Prescott Az. I just got my LCP yesterday (329.00 at a place locally that I won't go back too). Fired about 70 rds through it today.
I have a question about the trigger pull tension. I understand that a liitle free play before tension is about right after the first rd has been chambered, or if the gun is unloaded, and the slide has been cocked, but I noticed after the first rd has been fired there is tension on the trigger right from the start of the pull.Is this normal? Am I just not understanding the SA/DA concept? I have sent Ruger a email (along with posting this question on a couple of other sites), but I thought would try and get a response from you fine folks as well.
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As this is a double action only firearm, fired from the half cocked position, trigger pull should be pretty much the same every single time. Due to being fired from the half cocked position, it lacks second strike capability (meaning, you pull the trigger and the round fails to fire, you can not simply pull the trigger again to attempt to fire the same round again; the hammer is now at the rest position and due to being fired from half cock, you'd need to pull the slide to the rear.)

Long story short:
The LCP IS NOT DA/SA
The LCP IS DA
The trigger pull should be pretty much the same every time.
 

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DesertPunisher425 said:
The LCP IS NOT DA/SA
The LCP IS DA
The trigger pull should be pretty much the same every time.
As a long time revolver shooter, to me the LCP is neither SA nor DA. I would basically call it HA - Half Action. A true "Double Action" will allow you to fire from a completely uncocked position over and over. A true DA auto would also have double-strike capability. I have a couple which have that. Aside from the long trigger pull, the LCP functions more like a SA 1911 than a true DA anything - you have to rack the slide and doing so cocks the gun and readies it for fire. Uncock it and you have to recock it before you can fire again. The difference with the LCP is there is no hammer that you can cock separately, and the only way to cock it is racking the slide.
 

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Bobo
November 14th, 2006, 10:29 PM
A single-action (SA) gun has only single-action capabilities.
A double-action (DA) gun has single-action and double-action capabilities.
A double-action only (DAO) gun has only double-action capabilities.

SA, DA, and DAO may be applied to revolvers or semi-autos.
SA/DA only applies to semi-autos.
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SA (Single-action) = The gun's hammer/striker must first be fully cocked manually or by cycling the slide, the trigger's only job is to release the hammer/striker.

DAO (Double-action Only) = The gun may have one or more of these capabilities only:
The hammer/striker may be fully cocked by the trigger, and released by the trigger.
Or the hammer/striker may be half-cocked by cycling the slide, then fully cocked and released by the trigger.

DA (Double-action) = The gun must have one or more of these double-action capabilities:
The hammer/striker may be fully cocked by the trigger, and released by the trigger.
Or the hammer/striker may be half-cocked by cycling the slide, then fully cocked and released by the trigger.
AND the same gun must have one or more of these single-action capabilities:
The hammer/striker may be fully cocked manually or by cycling the slide, then released by the trigger.
Or the hammer/striker may be half-cocked manually or by cycling the slide, then fully cocked and released by the trigger.

SA/DA (Single-action/Double-action) = The gun must have both of these capabilities:
If the slide has been cycled it fully cocks the hammer/striker, and the trigger's only job is to release the hammer/striker (SA).
Or if the slide has not been cycled the trigger will fully cock the hammer/striker and then release the hammer/striker (DA).
 

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Either way... it's certainly not a DA/SA... doesn't really matter if you call it Double Action Only (this is really a misnomer and is generally only applied to firearms which can be ordered in DA/SA... Glock for example is known to be a striker fired DA, not DAO; yet it does not have second strike ability), Double Action or "Half Action".

There are really only two types of actions made for primer ignited firearms, the precise way in which the actions are executed should simply be viewed as details; all actions fit into one or both of the following two descriptions...

Single action: The pull of the trigger has only one action upon the firing mechanism of the firearm, and that is to release the energy in whatever form it may be which will strike the primer. (example: release of a fully cocked hammer) (typical open-bolt fully automatic weapons also fit into this description as do most closed bolt battle rifles)

Double action: The pull of the trigger has two actions upon the firing mechanism of the firearm; the first is to "cock" the firing device (or load the energy into it). The second is to release the energy. (example: cocking then release of the hammer)



Keep in mind we are talking about the actions the trigger has upon the hammer/striker... and with a "DAO" firearm, it is still Double Action. This would be like trying to create a new category for open bolt machine guns, called SA/Auto because hey... really only the initial depression of the trigger acts upon the firing mechanism; after that, the action operates without anymore interference from the trigger.

My point here is, as gun manufactures come out with new operating features, they throw a name at it and claim it as new and different. Good example is Glock... They call it "Glock Action"... well guess what, it's nothing more than a different take on double action (thank God striker fired pistols didn't end up being referred to as "glock action"). Trigger pulls the striker to the rear, then the trigger releases the striker: two actions. Now you have some pistols which were originally DA/SA, then offered in DA only, now offered in SA only... are we going to make up a new action type called SAO? Simply because it's a pistol originally designed as DA/SA? No, SAO would be the same as what DAO was originated as... simply a way to clearly differentiate the DA/SA version and the DA versions... because people are too stupid to read "Action: Double Action".... and understand that it's actually double action... not a misprint so they started having it say "Action: Double Action Only"... this was shortened to DAO


All the above BS comes down to one thing...
Just because a firearm will only fire at half-cock doesn't mean it's in a different category; if the trigger prepares the weapon to fire, AND fires the weapon... it's TWO actions... hence "double action".
 

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Re: Hello from Prescott AZ-plus a question- question answered by Ruger

Hi I recieved a reply from Ruger today, and thought I'd pass it on.


Dear Jason


Thank you for using the Ruger On-Line Customer Support Request Form.

This e-mail is in response to your question or comment of 12/14/2008
Request No: 17172

Comment / question:

Hi, first this is NOT a recall question, its a trigger pull question on a LCP.
When the first round is chambered or when in empty mag/dry fire mode there is about a 1/3 inch of free play in the trigger before tension and then firing occurs. After the first round has been fired the tension starts at the beginning of the trigger pull(no free play). Is this normal?
Thank you

Response:
This is normal.

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