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Finger extension mag problem (PICS & VIDEO)

My LCP had been wonderful prior to the recall. I have no complaints about the recall. I sent my pistol to Ruger on a Monday and received it back the following Friday (that's just four days) with a free b-ball cap and a free extra magazine with the finger extension.

I fired my LCP at the range yesterday and it performed flawlessly with the three standard magazines I have for the gun. I fired Winchester white box ball ammo and the Winchester Silvertip Hollowpoints I carry in my LCP. All went well!

Then I tried the new magazine with the finger extension. The first problem I had was that my big fingers caused it to pop out when firing. This happened twice. I think there is just too much pressure on the bottom of the magazine from me squeezing my middle and ring fingers into the space under the trigger guard and on top of the finger extension on the magazine.

The first and second rounds fed and worked well from this new magazine with the finger extension.

The third round did not chamber. Of course, I didn't know this so I pulled the trigger and the LCP went click instead of bang. I resorted to training and racked the slide. A live round did not come out. I pulled the trigger again and it simply went click. I paused and then racked the slide again. I saw the third cartridge in the top area of the magazine. I racked the slide repeatedly but the darn cartridge would not chamber. It just appeared to sit there in the magazine. What the...?

I tried my other standard magazines and all worked fine.

At home, I cleaned my LCP and then found wessyk87's reply post on the Ruger Forum about the new metal inlay on the recalled LCP magazine catch. Hmmmmm.

I inserted my standard magazine, loaded with six rounds, into my LCP's frame without the slide attached. I used a plastic tool to strip each round out of the magazine. Everything was fine.

I then tried the same thing with the new magazine with the finger extension. The third round would not raise up after I stripped out the first two. It appears that the magazine catch is snagging on something inside the magazine's little "window"...most probably the spring wire. The follower cannot raise up. The third round sits loosely on top of the follower without any spring pressure. I was able to dump out the remaining four rounds by turning the frame upside down. The follower remained compressed, held down by the magazine catch.

I tried this numerous times and it happened every time.

Here's a video of what's happening (click on the video):



This effectually makes the LCP a two shot pistol with the finger extension magazine. Not good. Not good at all.

Here's a photo of the first round in the magazine the way it should rest, with the spring pushing up on the follower and positioning the cartridge to enter the barrel:



Here's a photo of the third round in the magazine with the follower not being pushed up by the spring because the spring is apparently caught by the magazine release. Notice that the third round is loose and not able to be stripped out of the magazine by the slide:



Here's a photo looking down into the empty magazine while the follower is still stuck way down in the magazine. Pushing the magazine release causes the follower to rocket back up with extreme speed. Don't let anything come out of that mag and into your eye!





One time during my experimentation, I had a round still in the magazine while the follower was stuck way down in the magazine. I inadvertantly hit the magazine release and the compressed spring launched the .380 cartridge (which had been loose in the magazine and pointing upward) right out of the magazine and toward the ceiling with a great deal of force. I coulda lost an eye! Geez!

I have three standard magazines for my LCP and they all work fine. So I'm happy with that. I really don't want to send my LCP back to Ruger again. I could try filing down the little metal part that seems to be entering the window of the finger extension magazine and grabbing it, but I am afraid that somehow that might make my standard magazines not work.

I hope I've put the problem down in words, pics, and video so that everyone can see the problem. Even though my three original mags work fine, I am concerned that 10 years from now, I will only be able to get newer magazines that will not work in my LCP.

So what do you all think needs to happen? It would seem that it's not just my LCP that this is happening to....

-Steve
 

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Re: Finger extension mag problem (PICS & VIDEO)

did u try to exchange followers from the pinkie esxtension magazine over to one of the followers from ur good magazines. to see if possable it could be follower related?? sure sounds like it could be more follower problems than actual magazine.

today i shot my returned lcp with the pinkie extension and in over 150 rounds I never had one issue of magazine popping out or doing what yours is doing.
 

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did u try to exchange followers from the pinkie esxtension magazine over to one of the followers from ur good magazines. to see if possable it could be follower related?? sure sounds like it could be more follower problems than actual magazine.

Good idea, or just switch the base plate with a known good mag and try it.
 

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I canned all my Ruger extensions and got the Pearse Extensions, I wear a size 12 ring on my third finger. The Pearse Extensions are bigger and give me a better natural grip on the gun.
 

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I got my LCP back from the recall on Thursday. Prior to the recall I was experiencing magazine drops with any magazine with a finger extension. The drops were fairly inconsistent - sometimes it happened on the second, sometimes on the third round...

Today I went to the range to test the LCP and happily I had zero magazine drops in about 75 rounds down range.

However, I experienced regular failure to feed problems with the new magazine (with extension) Ruger sent me. That magazine always failed to feed the third round. The slide was back - partly - and the round in view. I racked the slide, the round fed OK and the rest of the magazine (I loaded 6 rds) fired fine. This happened three times in row.

I switched magazines. No problem with "original" magazine with no extension. No problem with "original" magazine with NAA extension. No problem with mail order Ruger magazine with extension.

Bad batch of magazines?
 

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Interesting. I have put 100 rounds through my post recall LCP with the Ruger OEM finger extension installed. Not one single failure.

I just checked all seven (7) of my LCP magazines. Six (6) have the Ruger OEM finger extension, one (1) has the Ruger flat base (no finger extension) installed. In each case, every round ejected normally from the mag replicating the test done in the video. In addition, each fully loaded mag hand-cycled and ejected all rounds when the gun was put back together.

Steve, your video is much appreciated. 'Certainly suggests something to be careful about but in my case 7 mags (6 with the OEM finger extension) and zero problems. Sounds like another issue to bring up with Joe Cramer at Ruger. I'd make the call and see what he says. Good job Steve! (For me, the finger extension provides a much more secure grip without significantly sacrificing concealability. No one can see the outline of a gun in my side pants pocket whether I have a finger extension installed or not.
 

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Re: Finger extension mag problem (PICS & VIDEO)

Others have had similar problems and mentioned them on another forum board. After the recall the magazine release may have been modified with the addition of a roll pin to strengthen the tab that catches the magazine. Some folks have reported that the roll pin protrudes slightly and catches the follower on the way up. IF this is the problem, it was reported that it can either be sent back to Ruger, or if you're good with a small diamond file you could try to file the offending protrusion down (at your own risk). Here are pics of the roll pin location:





These pics show a flush roll pin.

Check and see if the roll pin is protruding beyond the structure of the mag catch. If so, this may be the problem.
 

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wonder why it only effect the pinkie extension magazines and not the regular magazines. I do think ur probably right if the roll pin protrudes but why not on both types of magazines???? Humm!!
 

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Kahr's used to have a similar set up with thier polymer mag catches. Only instead of a roll pin, they had inbedded in the polymer catch a metal lip that made contact with the magazines. I never wore one out but now they have also went to an all metal magazine catch.
 

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Re: Finger extension mag problem (PICS & VIDEO)

jocko:

The finger extension base isn't the problem, it's the fact that the "new" magazine sent for free with the recall has a different follower. Here is a pic of the original magazine that came with the LCP when I bought it (which happens to have a standard bottom) on the left and the "new" magazine on the right (which happens to have a finger extension on the bottom).

Note the difference through the rectangular window where the magazine catch grabs and holds the magazine. Both mags are loaded with four rounds each.


If I swapped the bottom plastic bumpers, it wouldn't change anything.

It's the difference in the follower. The design difference is causing the follower to hang up when it snags on the magazine catch with four rounds left in the magazine (the third fired round from a six round mag).

Like I said in my original post, my three "old" standard mags work fine. My Ruger LCP is and always has been 100% reliable with those mags.

My "free" one is causing me the headaches!
 

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I'm just throwing this out but has anyone given any thought to modifyinf the follower rather than modifying the release? I personally want as much material holding my magazines in as I can get. I have not had any of the stated issues but after hearing about all the mag dropping issues,I'm certainly not going to remove anything that is designed to hold it in. I can't see that a slot filed down the side of the follower is going to create any feeding issues but it would clear the area that needs to pass by the mag catch.
Thoughts?
 

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My range magazine that I know is 100 percent (an older mag, came with the gun) looks exactly like the one on your right, zero problems before or after the recall. I also have an assortment of old and new LCP magazines (6 in total) that I keep on hand for storage and carry, they all work having had an assortment of rounds through them, with and without finger extensions, and they too look like the photo in the right. The magazine followers appear the same from the outside on all 7. Are you saying there is a visible design difference between your old follower and the one that came in the freebie? If so, can you post a pic? Thanks. I am inclined to believe that it is not the follower or the finger extension but something else that may be creating a problem for you.
 

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mm6mm6 said:
jocko: 

The finger extension base isn't the problem, it's the fact that the "new" magazine sent for free with the recall has a different follower.  Here is a pic of the original magazine that came with the LCP when I bought it (which happens to have a standard bottom) on the left and the "new" magazine on the right (which happens to have a finger extension on the bottom).

Note the difference through the rectangular window where the magazine catch grabs and holds the magazine.  Both mags are loaded with four rounds each. 


If I swapped the bottom plastic bumpers, it wouldn't change anything.

It's the difference in the follower.  The design difference is causing the follower to hang up when it snags on the magazine catch with four rounds left in the magazine (the third fired round from a six round mag).

Like I said in my original post, my three "old" standard mags work fine.  My Ruger LCP is and always has been 100% reliable with those mags.

My "free" one is causing me the headaches! 
Yeah, like Kraig... I hate to squash your idea (as I thought the same and checked my mags for some sort of relief in the follower)... but both of my mags (original and the one I bought a week after I got the pistol) are identical to your new one with the finger extension (minus the finger extension itself).  It is not exclusively the problem of an updated follower.  Maybe a combination of the roll pin AND the updated follower.  But in trouble shooting terms, that would point to a problem with the roll pin really.

I do believe that you could slightly relieve the follower in the area where the mag catch/release enters the mag and solve your problems.

edit: Don't take that last statement as saying the follower is the issue. All I'm saying is, you can do it right swap out your square peg for a round peg to fit into a round hole... or you can cut your round hole out into a square.
 

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Re: Finger extension mag problem (PICS & VIDEO)

Okay, I took the magazines apart. To the left is the original magazine that came with the LCP. To the right is the free, new, magazine. The extension has nothing to do with this problem.



It's the follower. Here are pics of both sides of the two different followers. There has been a significant design change in the followers.





I'm not sure what is snagging on the new, roll pin modified, magazine catch. But something is obviously causing the magazine to not rise up after the first two rounds are fired (see the video).
 

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My followers had a pretty obvious scratch along the side where they were contacting the mag catch. I filed and smoothed this area a little at a time and with the slide off the gun and mag in, pushed the follower down with a pencil. repeated until I felt no more drag from the catch. Solved my FTF problems. BTW both my mags have the new type follower (fully enclose).
 

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Thanks for the pics of the two followers. I just checked my range mag that has had probably a few hundred rounds through it. It is the new, fully enclosed follower shown on the right in your photo. Zero problems. I suspect something else is going on in your gun. I love a challenge so let's see if we can narrow it down and resolve. In the meantime, I am going to check the followers in my other six LCP mags. Bottom line, they all work.

Postscript: OK, I just pulled apart all seven magazines purchased/received at different times. ALL have the (new) fully-enclosed follower shown on the right of the photo. ALL function in my LCP.
 

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Bottm line from what we know so far....it's not the fully enclosed follower (the current design) although he could have a bad mag and it's not the finger extension. Somelthing else is going on in his gun that is contributing to the problem.
 
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