[kraigster414]

Davenc's after-market METAL mag catch, dropped mags & solutions

Folks, I have been in contact with Dave Anderson who has had a lot of success in manufacturing an all-steel after-market magazine catch for the Keltec P3AT, a part very similiar in size and design to what would be required in the LCP. Dave is willing to look into the feasibility of offering an LCP steel magazine catch if there is sufficient interest and it passes his test for quality and reliability. So far his P3AT part is perfoming well. For starters, he would need a beta tester with an LCP who is willing to sign a release. Dave is in North Carolina (Sanford south of Raleigh) and can be contacted at: [email protected]

I think this is exciting news and I hope it pans out. I know that a few of you have been asking about this (myself included). I have had a metal after-market mag catch in my P3AT for many years and it has held up very nice.

PS: Thank you RJHauser for hooking me up with Dave.

 

[mpd563]

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Count me in. I would definately buy one.

 

[DesertPunisher425]

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I would hope someone from NC would be close enough that they could take care of the testing.

I hope something good comes of this!

 

[45longcolt]

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I'll take one and they should be sold through the store here.

 

[DesertPunisher425]

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On a side note... yes I will take one. If no one steps forward for loaning a pistol for design by May when I leave the country, I'll be more than happy to, provided all legalities are accounted for.

 

[MNBud]

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I will offer up my pistol for the fitting of a steel magazine catch. I do believe we will hear from Ruger before weeks end but if not my LCP is ready for the trip.
Bud

 

[rjhauser]

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let me say that DaveNC is a great guy to deal with and i think this part makes up the one really weak point with this firearm.

i used to have magazine drop issues in my holster UNTIL I changed it out....

i think it is a great idea for someone to get him an appropriate grip and get one designed for this...

ymmv.

 

[kraigster414]

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Listen to RJ.

And DP425, stay safe. That's a very nice offer.

MNbud, thanks also.

 

[N2LCP]

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I am not rough on the mag catches, and never had an issue with the plastic catch in my Keltecs even after many hundreds of rounds fired. I don't think I would consider a metal mag catch option unless offered by Ruger. It seems kinda in that range of modifications that could be a legal liability problem in a court defense situation. Unless an option is offered by the manufacturer, I do not modify or deviate for defensive carry. JMO

 

[jocko]

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I am not rough on the mag catches, and never had an issue with the plastic catch in my Keltecs even after many hundreds of rounds fired. I don't think I would consider a metal mag catch option unless offered by Ruger. It seems kinda in that range of modifications that could be a legal liability problem in a court defense situation. Unless an option is offered by the manufacturer, I do not modify or deviate for defensive carry. JMO

I guess we disagee on the liability thing, This is not a silencer thing being installed or a 30 rounds special editon magazine, just a metal part exaclty like the plastic part. There is no liability there IMO at all.


Now that being said, I HAVE never had a mag pop out on any kt's that I ever owned, EVER and I have 1550 rounds through my lcp and the same thing, and I pocket carry it. BUT I do not slam magazines in either, maybe that is why I can say what I just stated. Why slam um anyway, not a race gun, 90% don't even carry a spare magazine, just makes no sense. Is steel in this case better than the polymer-- probalby but I don't intend to change what is working for me and for me the jury is still out on slamming a magazine which is steel against a steel magazine catch. My opinion is that if you have magazine popping out, you indeed have a bad magazine catch=-- replace it. It could be metal or polymer doing it..

smoke um if u got um ;D

 

[N2LCP]

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I guess we disagee on the liability thing, This is not a silencer thing being installed or a 30 rounds special editon magazine, just a metal part exaclty like the plastic part. There is no liability there IMO at all.

I few years back I read an interesting article in Combat Hanguns magazine written by Massad Ayoob (not sure about the spelling), where he discussed real life defense situations, where he was called to testify on behalf of a defendant. Prosecutors look for ways to portray the defendant as some whacked up paramilitary gun packing nut just looking to shoot some one. Common sense gets tossed out the window and the reality that you were simply defending yourself from a perp trying to kill/rob/rape/whatever, you gets lost in the shuffle. Ayoob cautioned regarding making any modifications to a firearm that could be construed by a prosecuting attorney to portray the gun owner as an irresponsible trigger happy fanatic. That advise stuck with me and I have since tended to keep any mods I make to the guns I will use for daily carry outside my house, pretty much plain vanilla, factory options. JMO.

 

[kraigster414]

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The focus of Ayoob's argument has long focused on training, knowledge of the law with respect to use of deadly force, what to say and do after a shooting, the efficacy/prudance surrounding certain firearms modifications; specfically trigger jobs and the fact that a savy attorney could use the latter to build/strenglthen a case against the shooter (whether the shooting was justified or not) - Mas is a strong proponent of sticking with the stock 5.5 lb Glock connector vs. installing the lighter 3.5 lb. connector as one example. Including after-market mag catches into the mix is comparing apples to oranges. Swapping out the OEM mag catch for what could be a stronger part in the LCP is no different than installing an oversized or ambi mag release in a custom 1911, Glocks, XD, etc. A boatload are sold everyday and folks rely on these weapons for personal/LE and home defense without reservation. The Beach metal mag catch in my P3AT requires more pressure to release the magazine vs. the plastic factor release (a good thing) and I have never experienced a dropped mag. Additionally, it shows no visible signs of wear and is as robust today as it was when installed several years ago.

If you LCP works fine the way it is and you do not intend to shoot it a lot, than don't fix what ain't broke - and you probably don't want to get too far afield with this thread. Many folks never had a problem with the stock plastic mag catch in the P3AT. Jocko didn't. I did and that was motivation for going to an all-steel part. It proved to be a good decison as was the case with more than a few P3AT owners. Your call.

 

[Davenc]

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Hi guys,
Just here to introduce my self letting you know that I will be the guy that will be doing the fabrication of the metal releases. Just to let you know, this isn't full time business for me as I already have full time job as a Test Engineer in Electronics. It's just a hobby, something new to learn and a way to make few extra dollars to support my gun and motorcycle habits.

MNBUD,
I'm from MN as well. I grew up in **** Rapids and left to join the Army and just never went back. Still have family living there.

I don't need the whole pistol just the grip, spring, release and a mag. Your release will be free BTW. When your ready just drop me a line and I'll provide my mailing address.

Thanks,
Dave

 

[kraigster414]

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Dave, welcome. Nice post. Let me be one of the first to pre-order.

We will use this thread to provide updates for those interested in ordering, progress/test reports as well as installation instructions. MNbud will be lucky enough to have his pre-installed (hmm, maybe I should have volunteered LOL). Then again, this could justify a road trip to NC (where I hope to end up after retirement). Dave keep a light on for me and thanks for taking this on. This is good news.

 

[Ooben]

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Sign me up please!

 

[rjhauser]

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i, for one, am the biggest proponent of liability modifications, and I have gone head to head with others on modifications, including trigger pulls, etc.

However, this part is no different than any one of the other parts that is available for a glock, or 1911, or anything else in regards to the operation of the magazine.

I have an oversized release in my glock 20, and in my springfield 1911.

The only liability Ayoob has ever thought about involve modifications to the way the gun operates.

and, FWIW, I will try to post pics later, but the part I have is phenomenal, and works great. I never had a mag drop in my first p3at, did in my second, and have since day 1 in my LCP. I chenged this part in my LCP, and have NOT had any drops.

ymmv, flame away.

 

[kraigster414]

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RJ, you speaketh the truth.

 

[jocko]

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heh RJ wrong forum. We don't flame um over here ;D

 

[Ooben]

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heh RJ wrong forum. We don't flame um over here ;D

Unless, of course, the target is jocko..... ;D

 

[jocko]

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heh RJ wrong forum. We don't flame um over here ;D

Unless, of course, the target is jocko..... ;D

Hell i got burn marks all over my body from being on the kt forum, RJ will attest to that. This forum is a real peace of cake, a real pleasure to post on to.