[ssmccoy]

Hello Everyone, I just read about all the intermittent CT laser button switch problems and I have experienced the same on/off grip condition. After cussing it , I decided to do something about it and fabricated a more protruding switch button from a small plastic button that are used on the bottom of various household items to preventing scuffing a surface. You can find them at any hardware store. I used a Dremel tool to slightly hollow out the inside (flat side of the button) and instant glued it to the CT button. It does not bulk up the grip. Now the laser always stays on with my normal grip. The fleshy part of my finger presses the CT button completely every time. Maybe the CT people should modify the switch button so it protrudes more. Also did a trigger modification with an added piece of leather that helped smooth out the long trigger pull. That allows my finger tip to complete a full trigger stroke and improve POA hold.
I have not had any difficulties with these mods. Here is to more tight groups! Enjoy.

 

[LCP_Dogg]

Can you post a pic or even a pic of this "button" you purchased?

I think I get it, but am not sure.

Is it basically like a concave plastic circle/disc that you glued onto the CT rubberized cover that is over the existing CT button?

 

[HowardCohodas]

Pictures please.

I encourage you to post this on the Crimson Trace forum, http://Forums.CrimsonTrace.com/.

 

[xenicintelligence]

Can you post a pic or even a pic of this "button" you purchased?

I think I get it, but am not sure.

Is it basically like a concave plastic circle/disc that you glued onto the CT rubberized cover that is over the existing CT button?

"BUMP ONS" the plastic adhesives buttons are used to prevent scuff marks on pictures and walls as well as furniture. you can find them in most colors and in most if not all craft stores. i have even found them at walmart. my wife has bought a few for the pictures. they range from soft to hard plastic. Go to a craft store, they always have them.


That is a great idea!!!!!!!!! they remind me of a miniature plastic" Rollo" candy.
YOU guys do know what" Rollo's" are????????????

 

[LCP_Dogg]

OK, I gotcha, thanks!

 

[Krieg]

Wouldn't it be great if Crimson Trace acknowledged they [email protected]#$ up the design and offered a recall to refund or replace the grips that pose a potential lethal risk to all of us who can only get one round off without losing the dot?

 

[ToddG]

They didn't "f up" the design. As someone who's worked through these types of issues with CTC for years (I was a "beta tester" for many of their Beretta and SIG models), it's a matter of competing interests. With the lasers made for tiny compact guns, there is a design goal of keeping the entire unit as small in profile as possible. If it gets bigger, people will complain that it compromises concealability.

The CTC will never be a 100% solution. There will always be some people whose hands don't quite fit the button properly. This is no different than a pistol grip that doesn't work just right for everyone, or a car seat, or ...

CTC has made changes to many of their designs over the years in response to customer feedback. That puts them way ahead of many companies. But expecting them to recall something just because yours doesn't perfectly fit you is crazy. If you want a refund, go to the store where you bought it, just as you would with any other product. Their return policy is up to them, not CTC.

 

[Krieg]

They didn't "f up" the design. As someone who's worked through these types of issues with CTC for years (I was a "beta tester" for many of their Beretta and SIG models), it's a matter of competing interests. With the lasers made for tiny compact guns, there is a design goal of keeping the entire unit as small in profile as possible. If it gets bigger, people will complain that it compromises concealability.

The CTC will never be a 100% solution. There will always be some people whose hands don't quite fit the button properly. This is no different than a pistol grip that doesn't work just right for everyone, or a car seat, or ...

CTC has made changes to many of their designs over the years in response to customer feedback. That puts them way ahead of many companies. But expecting them to recall something just because yours doesn't perfectly fit you is crazy. If you want a refund, go to the store where you bought it, just as you would with any other product. Their return policy is up to them, not CTC.

I'm not the only one who's whining about this. It seems to be a fairly common complaint, though you'd have to venture to other forums to see how common it is.

 

[HowardCohodas]

They didn't "f up" the design. As someone who's worked through these types of issues with CTC for years (I was a "beta tester" for many of their Beretta and SIG models), it's a matter of competing interests. With the lasers made for tiny compact guns, there is a design goal of keeping the entire unit as small in profile as possible. If it gets bigger, people will complain that it compromises concealability.

The CTC will never be a 100% solution. There will always be some people whose hands don't quite fit the button properly. This is no different than a pistol grip that doesn't work just right for everyone, or a car seat, or ...

CTC has made changes to many of their designs over the years in response to customer feedback. That puts them way ahead of many companies. But expecting them to recall something just because yours doesn't perfectly fit you is crazy. If you want a refund, go to the store where you bought it, just as you would with any other product. Their return policy is up to them, not CTC.

I'm not the only one who's whining about this. It seems to be a fairly common complaint, though you'd have to venture to other forums to see how common it is.

Whining from the uninformed, does not make it a competent engineering judgment. I can't speak to your engineering competence, but most of what I've read on other boards regarding this issue have not been sensible.

 

[David Henry]

I've had no problem with the Laser staying on. In fact mine is very sensitive to the touch. Just holding mine in the shooting position, with hardly any pressure, the laser is on. I am happy with my CT. ;D

 

[kraigster414]

I agree with Todd. I think Krieg you are being overly critical in your assessment. There are always going to be detractors and no product can please everyone but the majority of CT/LCP owners seem to be very satisifed with the product and the company's after-market service. Let's put things in proper perspective to be fair. It is not a fairly common complaint. Keep in mind with respect to gun forums (or any online forum for that matter) that folks are far more inclined to post negatives than positives and you need to be judicious in what you read and believe.

 

[Krieg]

I agree with Todd. I think Krieg you are being overly critical in your assessment. There are always going to be detractors and no product can please everyone but the majority of CT/LCP owners seem to be very satisifed with the product and the company's after-market service. Let's put things in proper perspective to be fair. It is not a fairly common complaint. Keep in mind with respect to gun forums (or any online forum for that matter) that folks are far more inclined to post negatives than positives and you need to be judicious in what you read and believe.

Whatever... It's well documented. One only has to look beyond the confines of this forum. The good news is the Armalaser will solve the issue.

 

[HowardCohodas]

Whatever... It's well documented. One only has to look beyond the confines of this forum. The good news is the Armalaser will solve the issue.

Perhaps some actual links to posts in the other forums you refer to might make your point more credibly than a "Whatever" or repeating the same point. I'm open minded and willing to learn, but my experience is contrary to your views. Educate me with evidence please.

 

[kraigster414]

I guess it comes down to how you define a "fairly common complaint." Links to other complaints at other forums will not accurately address given the volume of products sold and the fact that only a fraction of gun owners frequent/participate at online forums. It does mean however that others share Krieg's complaint. If the Armalaser will better meets his needs, that's a good thing. I am just a little cautious about over-generalizations that cannot be quantified. Having said all that, choices are what it is all about and it sounds like for him, the Armalaser is just what the doctor ordered. 'Not sure we need links.

 

[ToddG]

Krieg -- I don't doubt it's happening. It happens to me under some circumstances, in fact.

I played with my LCP quite a bit today, and realized that the laser works just fine when I'm shooting 1-handed. That's for me, don't know about others. When I try to shoot it 2-handed, the laser is much more sporadic and gets worse the more precise I try to be with my trigger control. That, too, is for me.

My reaction wasn't to the suggestion that CTC rethink their switch. But the call for mass refunds and recalls is misplaced, IMHO. As I said, if you personally have a problem with the LG-431, first I'd suggest going back to the store where you bought it. Next, give CTC a call ... their customer service people are famously helpful. But you'll get much farther if you ask for help rather than demand a refund. Again, just IMHO. Stay safe!