Anyone take CHL class with the LCP yet?

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LCP_Dogg

Discussion Starter · Sep 9, 2008

I'm pretty sure you can qualify with .380ACP, as I read anything > .32 is allowed.

But shooting 10 rounds from 45ft may be difficult with the LCP. I haven't tried it over 15ft yet, so I think I better go practice or else I'm using their loaner 9mm to qualify.

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picketeer

· #2 · Sep 9, 2008

Qualifying depends on the individual state............For example, in my Great State of Texas, the smallest caliber we can qualify with is a .380 which includes the mighty ElsiePea. I already have my CHL but when I have to renew, I am thinking about using my LCP to shoot with............used a GLOCK 9mm initially!

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LCP_Dogg

Discussion Starter · #3 · Sep 9, 2008

Yeah I'm in TX too and am scheduled to take my CHL class, firing test, and exam in 2 weeks. *gulp* I was thinking I'll use the LCP but then I saw it has 10 rounds at 45ft..

Maybe a Crimson Trace would help??

(Would they even allow that?)

I think if I miss all 10 shots at 45ft, I can still pass, right? I'd have to almost hit the other shots, but those are a lot easier than the 45footers.

Ooben

· #4 · Sep 9, 2008

picketeer said:
Qualifying depends on the individual state............For example, in my Great State of Texas, the smallest caliber we can qualify with is a .380 with includes the mighty ElsiePea. I already have my CHL but when I have to renew, I am thinking about using my LCP to shoot with............used a GLOCK 9mm initially!

Yep, that's right. In the Great State of Idaho, it's basically you pay your money, you pick up your permit. All you have to do is take a hunter safety course or an NRA firearms course of any sort. No qualification, no tests of any kind. Now before anyone thinks that's not very safe, you have to understand, probably 90% of the people in Idaho have been shooting since they were little kids..

picketeer

· #5 · Sep 9, 2008

Don't know if you can use the CT to qualify for CHL? That is an interesting question and if any of you other Texans out there have the right answer, please let us know!

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HowardCohodas

· #6 · Sep 9, 2008

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/tchlaws0102.pdf

TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS AND SELECTED STATUTES said:
§6.14. PROFICIENCY REQUIREMENTS. (a) A person who wishes to
obtain or renew a license to carry a concealed handgun shall apply in
person to a certified handgun instructor to take the appropriate course
in handgun proficiency, demonstrate handgun proficiency, and obtain a
handgun proficiency certificate. An applicant will be required to
demonstrate the applicant’s ability to safely and proficiently use the
category of handgun for which the applicant seeks certification.
(b) A proficiency examination to obtain or to renew a license must be
administered by a certified handgun instructor. The proficiency examination
must include:
(1) a written section on required subjects; and
(2) a physical demonstration of proficiency in the use of one or
more handguns of specific categories and in handgun safety procedures.
(c) The department shall distribute the standards, course requirements,
and examinations on request to any certified handgun
instructor.
(d) The proficiency demonstration course will be the same for both
the instructors and license applications. The course of fire will be at
distances of three, seven, and fifteen yards, for a total of fifty rounds.
(1) Twenty rounds will be fired from three yards, as follows:
(A) five rounds will be fired "One Shot Exercise"; two seconds
allowed for each shot;
(B) ten rounds will be fired "Two Shot Exercise"; three seconds
allowed for each two shots; and
(C) five rounds will be fired; ten seconds allowed for five shots.
(2) Twenty rounds will be fired from seven yards, fired in four fiveshot
strings as follows:
(A) the first five shots will be fired in ten seconds;
(B) the next five shots will be fired in two stages:
(i) two shots will be fired in four seconds; and
(ii) three shots will be fired in six seconds.
(C)the next five shots at seven yards will be fired "One Shot
Exercise"; three seconds will be allowed for each shot; and
(D) the last five shots fired at the seven-yard line, the time will
be fifteen seconds to shoot five rounds.
(3) Ten rounds will be fired from fifteen yards, fired in two five-shot
strings as follows:
(A) the first five shots will be fired in two stages:
(i) two shots fired in six seconds; and
(ii) three shots fired in nine seconds.
(B) the last five shots will be fired in fifteen seconds.
(e) The department shall issue a license to carry a concealed
handgun to any person who is certified as a qualified handgun
instructor and who pays the department a fee of $100 in addition to the
training fee.

GC §411.188. HANDGUN PROFICIENCY REQUIREMENT. (a) The
director by rule shall establish minimum standards for handgun proficiency
and shall develop a course to teach handgun proficiency and
examinations to measure handgun proficiency. The course to teach
handgun proficiency must contain training sessions divided into two
parts. One part of the course must be classroom instruction and the
other part must be range instruction and an actual demonstration by
the applicant of the applicant's ability to safely and proficiently use the
category of handgun for which the applicant seeks certification. An
applicant may not be certified unless the applicant demonstrates, at a
minimum, the degree of proficiency that is required to effectively
operate a handgun of .32 caliber or above. The department shall
distribute the standards, course requirements, and examinations on
request to any qualified handgun instructor.

picketeer

· #7 · Sep 9, 2008

Is this the latest version of the Texas CH Laws because it used to be .380...........

picketeer

· #8 · Sep 9, 2008

I just read my 2008 copy and you are correct Howard............I guess it just used to be .380 or maybe I dreamed that it was just a .380............Guess I am just not as perfect as I thought I was........ ;D

HowardCohodas

· #9 · Sep 9, 2008

picketeer said:
Is this the latest version of the Texas CH Laws because it used to be .380...........

Not sure. My research skills are pretty good, but not perfect. I noticed the date and dug deeper, but never found more current information. If anyone finds newer info, post it.

I'm not from Texas, and every state has it's own rules. I just wanted to have some reference, rather than us all just sharing speculation without anchor.

RobR369

· #10 · Sep 10, 2008

If I had the choice, I wouldnt use my LCP for a class. They are more useful up close and personal. Not very accurate at a distance/IMHO/ I would use my 9mm.

gcwimmer

· #11 · Sep 10, 2008

In Nevada no limit on caliber, you have to shoot 10 rounds at 3yrds, 5yrds and 7yrds hit the target most of the time and no one else. Interesting is if you qualify with one revolver your qualified with all. Auto you have to qualify every single one, I qualified with NAA32, G23, G27 and LCP. No limit to the number of weapons on permit, good for 5yrs. First time class 8hrs, 6hr class room and 2hrs shooting, renew is 4hrs class room and the 30 rounds shooting. You can add a weapon any time by just doing 30 rounds qualification. I just completed my 2nd renew. We did not take a written test just a verbal group answered the questions. We have reciprocity with 14 other states, AK, AZ, ID, IN, KT, MI, MS, MO, OK, SD, TN, TX, UT, AND VT.

Our Governor qualified with 9 weapons. There is some debate by the gun grabbers about making public CCW permit information available, our County Sheriff, Washoe County(Reno) refuses, our County Prosecutor does not want law abiding citizens name and address public information giving criminals a shopping list of weapons and address.

Thank you Nevada, Washoe County, and god bless America.

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LCP_Dogg

Discussion Starter · #12 · Sep 10, 2008

Ugh..

So then, what'cha think? Will I be able to pass this with the LCP?

Even If I miss all 10 shots at 45', then I can still pass but I'll have to be really good on the 21' and would probably need to make all of the 9' shots.

I need to hit the range again FOR SURE. The other day it was just fun and break in but now I need to practice aiming to save my life (and CHL exam).

mac140au

· #13 · Sep 10, 2008

It is interesting to hear about the qualifications required to obtain a CCW permit in other states. In Georgia we simply pay $50 and we recieve a permit in the mail in 2-3 weeks. No NRA class or Hunter Safety class is required.

I must tell you that I am the biggest 2A fan around, but I think that it is generally a good idea to have some type of shooting qualification included in the permit process. I believe the majority of people who want to carry have shot a weapon before so there should not be any issues. It would just be a good time to reinforce gun safety and maybe talk about self-defense situations. Just some thoughts.

picketeer

· #14 · Sep 10, 2008

I think from what I have heard from a friend of mine in AZ, that is pretty much all they have to do there to get a "CHL"..... ;D

LCP_Dogg

Discussion Starter · #15 · Sep 10, 2008

So after seeing these requirements, can anyone give their opinion as to whether I should use the LCP to take this test or borrow the instructor's 9mm which I've never shot before and won't have a chance to practice with beforehand.. ??

HowardCohodas

· #16 · Sep 10, 2008

LCP_Dogg said:
So after seeing these requirements, can anyone give their opinion as to whether I should use the LCP to take this test or borrow the instructor's 9mm which I've never shot before and won't have a chance to practice with beforehand.. ??

Look at the requirements that were published above. Try it with the LCP. If you can qualify, great. If not, practice more or choose a firearm you can qualify with. No one but you can judge your competence level. Asking others to do so without seeing you shoot is not realistic.

LCP_Dogg

Discussion Starter · #17 · Sep 10, 2008

Point taken, Howard.

I was just vividly recalling how the guy on rugerforums.com was talking about hitting targets at 44ft with the LCP and then an onslaught of comments were like BS, no way, etc... So that got me kind of worried about this gun's accuracy level out to 45 ft..

HowardCohodas

· #18 · Sep 10, 2008

LCP_Dogg said:
Point taken, Howard.

I was just vividly recalling how the guy on rugerforums.com was talking about hitting targets at 44ft with the LCP and then an onslaught of comments were like BS, no way, etc... So that got me kind of worried about this gun's accuracy level out to 45 ft..

I just reread my comment. I should have taken the time to phrase it less aggressively. You don't seem to have taken umbrage with my carelessness and I appreciate it.

LCP_Dogg

Discussion Starter · #19 · Sep 10, 2008

I postes this for people to weigh in and that is what I'm getting. Thank you.

Thank you all.

Maybe I will be the first TX-CHL holder to qualify with the LCP.

Or maybe I will be the first to try and utterly fail.. *doh*

tigertonytigger

· #20 · Sep 11, 2008

You guys are killing me. I didn't have to do anything for my CHL class. Take a class, watch a video (had nothing to do with CHL had to do with home safty), open test. Then next day went down to the range and used the cops guns to shoot. All it was to show you could hold the gun right and not shoot the one next to you, they could care less if you hit the target or not. This is cracking me up that in some states you have to qualify with all your guns and stuff. WOW, what is the cost to get your CHL. Mine was $120 total. I am upset now, I want to shoot with my guns, maybe with my LCP. Maybe then it would feel like I got something out of the class. But then again, I am in West Virginia and we don't read to good and cant take test to good with my 5th grade education.

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