[Snubbie K]

"2nd Generation" LCP?

I still haven't been able to purchase my LCP. But I'm on a few waiting lists and even put a little money down to assure my place at the local "discount" gunstore where I like to purchase things handgun related.

All of the little horror stories I've heard, about broken parts and all the rest, really don't scare me much. I figure that any new gun will have it's hic-ups in the first generation. Witness the Kel-Tecs!

For myself, I don't really "need" the little gun right now (even though I'm really excited about getting one and carrying it as a BUG).

In some ways - I'm actually kind of glad for the recall and the attendent slow down in production and deliveries that it percipitated.

(Sorry guys - I know it's a tough time for those who've had and enjoyed their new guns already.)

I'm really, REALLY hoping that Ruger is addressing the various hic-ups as they start their production lines again in earnest.

I'd like to think that what I'll be getting is going to be, in effect, a 2nd generation LCP (like the "gen2" P-3AT's). I'm hoping and praying for a "new and improved" model of LCP, with my name on it, to be waiting at my favorite gunstore sometime during the first half of 2009.

I'm hoping that the best darn LCP of them all is patiently waiting her place on the production line - as I wait here at home for that phone call telling me to "come on down".

Hope springs eternal!

 

[RobR369]

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Snubbie, glad to hear you arent scared away by the (soon to be taken care of) flaws. You wont be disappointed with the LCP. Its a great little gun, there is nothing better than getting that phone call telling you to come pick it up. I bet when you do get yours, it will already have all the problems fixed.

 

[pistol-packin-preacher]

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Even with the recall issue, I would buy another one in a heartbeat. In fact, once I get the Mrs. to get her CCW, that is what I plan to get for her.

 

[skywagon]

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???Hey preach! The only thing this thing has going for it over my Smiths and Glocks is small easy carry feature, mechancical it is far from perfect!!!

 

[pistol-packin-preacher]

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I am more than happy with mine - more than 500 through the pipe, and no issues.

 

[Snubbie K]

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???Hey preach! The only thing this thing has going for it over my Smiths and Glocks is small easy carry feature, mechancical it is far from perfect!!!

I've got to agree with you there Skywagon. But, then again, that "only" thing is a mighty "big" thing, indeed, for me at least. It is the thing that is missing from most other BUG choices.

I needed a BUG for my 5 round snub carry gun. I could have chosen from many that would have done great on my weak side belt position. Many would have sufficed and even been better than the LCP - for that one purpose.

But they all lacked one ingredient that I also wanted in a BUG- pocket carry ability. I've carried snubbies in my pocket before (as well as a Kahr PM9). For me at least, they just are not good pocket guns. They were OK in some pants, even if a little heavy. But it always looked like I was carrying a small block of cheese or a small orange with a handle on it when I wore my jeans or summer shorts and tried to pocket carry. I found myself leaving my gun home all too often.

I wanted to kill two birds with one stone with this gun purchase - BUG, weak side belt gun and true pocket carry gun.

For me - the LCP is right at the proper point of power,concealability and affordability. It has adequate power, with proper ammo choices for carry. It is highly concealable. And, it is affordable.

In addition - it provides me with something entirely different than my main choice in guns - my revolver. I don't have to depend on it for my first line of defense - most times. It has a bunch of optional add-ons and carry choices to play with. And there is a fun on-line club to chat with, share experiences with and learn from.

I wish it was the absolute perfect gun. It's not. But, if I can manage to get one that functions well and dependably, it'll be as perfect as I can hope for for my purposes.

 

[Sassi]

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Does anyone anywhere have a listing of the specific differences between the Generation 1 and Generation 2 LCP's??

 

[Snubbie K]

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Does anyone anywhere have a listing of the specific differences between the Generation 1 and Generation 2 LCP's??

I don't think that there is officially anything called a "generation 2 LCP".

That is what they call the newer Kel-tec P-3AT's that have had improvements made since the introduction of the "generation 1 P-3AT's. So many of the "bugs" were addressed by the factory that people began to think that it was necessary to differentiate between the newer guns and the older less dependable ones.

Not sure if Ruger will make all the changes necessary to address the things that have been going wrong with many LCP's. But, if they do take the opportunity of the production interuption caused by the recall to correct a few things - the newer ones will be much better guns than the ones that came off the line in the first year or so.

The newer LCP's could then perhaps be referred to as "generation 2" LCP's.

Hope that clears up what I meant to convey in my post.

 

[skywagon]

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???Hey preach! The only thing this thing has going for it over my Smiths and Glocks is small easy carry feature, mechancical it is far from perfect!!!

I've got to agree with you there Skywagon. But, then again, that "only" thing is a mighty "big" thing, indeed, for me at least. It is the thing that is missing from most other BUG choices.

I needed a BUG for my 5 round snub carry gun. I could have chosen from many that would have done great on my weak side belt position. Many would have sufficed and even been better than the LCP - for that one purpose.

But they all lacked one ingredient that I also wanted in a BUG- pocket carry ability. I've carried snubbies in my pocket before (as well as a Kahr PM9). For me at least, they just are not good pocket guns. They were OK in some pants, even if a little heavy. But it always looked like I was carrying a small block of cheese or a small orange with a handle on it when I wore my jeans or summer shorts and tried to pocket carry. I found myself leaving my gun home all too often.

I wanted to kill two birds with one stone with this gun purchase - BUG, weak side belt gun and true pocket carry gun.

For me - the LCP is right at the proper point of power,concealability and affordability. It has adequate power, with proper ammo choices for carry. It is highly concealable. And, it is affordable.

In addition - it provides me with something entirely different than my main choice in guns - my revolver. I don't have to depend on it for my first line of defense - most times. It has a bunch of optional add-ons and carry choices to play with. And there is a fun on-line club to chat with, share experiences with and learn from.

I wish it was the absolute perfect gun. It's not. But, if I can manage to get one that functions well and dependably, it'll be as perfect as I can hope for for my purposes.

Snubbie, I agree totally, my other carry gun is a 38 special titanium snubbie, this gun is also very light but a lot larger than the LCP. I don't carry two so must depent on the one I am packing. So far my experiances with my LCP, I do not trust it at this time and hope when it returns from the factory it will change my attitude. : : :

 

[jocko]

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Does anyone anywhere have a listing of the specific differences between the Generation 1 and Generation 2 LCP's??

I don't think that there is officially anything called a "generation 2 LCP".

That is what they call the newer Kel-tec P-3AT's that have had improvements made since the introduction of the "generation 1 P-3AT's. So many of the "bugs" were addressed by the factory that people began to think that it was necessary to differentiate between the newer guns and the older less dependable ones.

Not sure if Ruger will make all the changes necessary to address the things that have been going wrong with many LCP's. But, if they do take the opportunity of the production interuption caused by the recall to correct a few things - the newer ones will be much better guns than the ones that came off the line in the first year or so.

The newer LCP's could then perhaps be referred to as "generation 2" LCP's.

Hope that clears up what I meant to convey in my post.

not really the same. The first generation kt and the second generation kt were entirely different slides, extractors. not interchangeable. Where as the Ruger LCP any change in the up grade version would indeed be transferable to the first few lcps ever sold, actually Ruger is upgrading the only model they make, so there is no 1st or 2 nd generation model.

One can look at the first and second generation kt's an certainly see a difference that is not interchangeable..

 

[casteal]

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If so what is the difference between the "370" and the the 371" besides number one Mine is a 370 I picked up last week that I understand is direct from Ruger filling backorders to a dealer.

 

[jocko]

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If so what is the difference between the "370" and the the 371" besides number one Mine is a 370 I picked up last week that I understand is direct from Ruger filling backorders to a dealer.

in ur case probably nothing as u should have all the updates that the #371 series has. If yours has the diamond stamp in the back of the alloy frame, no doubt you are 100% good to go.

Just go out and shoot it like u stole it and let us know how good it works etc...

 

[icl]

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Yeah, as far as I can tell, the 371 that a friend just bought looks just like my 370, the 370 I bought as a gift for my mother, and the three 370's that my co-workers carry.

Bottom line: it's a great gun. Buy it, shoot it like you stole it. And do what it takes to make it perfect for you.

Me? That's a 370, post recall, with a flat-base mag--and a brand new CT from the EP Store......

;D

 

[jocko]

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Yeah, as far as I can tell, the 371 that a friend just bought looks just like my 370, the 370 I bought as a gift for my mother, and the three 370's that my co-workers carry.

Bottom line: it's a great gun. Buy it, shoot it like you stole it. And do what it takes to make it perfect for you.

Me? That's a 370, post recall, with a flat-base mag--and a brand new CT from the EP Store......

;D

indeed a very nice set up. You shold love that CT, it will make you a better shooter with that little gun for sure...

 

[Slappy]

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I would consider that the 371 series LCP's kinda is the 2nd generation LCP.

 

[Carter]

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There really isn't a Generation I or II, it's only a pre-recall and post-recall.
If a person has the need to put a pretty label on it, then Gen-I would be anything before the recall, and Gen-II would be anything that had been modified as a result of the recall or produced brand new after the recall (the 371's).

While the color of the barrels were changed from silver finish to blued, that had nothing to do with the recall. They are all stainless anyway, so that was just a matter of color, not material.

I bought a brand new 370/Diamond from Academy in Houston a couple of weeks ago, and it is a very high serial number (370-727xx) so I'll surmise that it was one that may not have left the factory before it was turned around and put right back into the production line to be Diamond (recall) modded before shipping. (But that's just my uneducated guess.)

I'm really very pretty impressed with the LCP pistol in that other than the safety issue that instigated the recall, the pistol really didn't need any "major" modding to improve it.
The Diamond pistol (plus the 371's on) is itself the "new and improved" model from the original, and I wouldn't look to any big changes in the near future.

I guess referring to the post recall LCP's as "Gen II" does make a bit of sense because the only differences between pre and post recall are the recall-addressed mods themselves, so having a Gen-II means that you have the newest and improvest (sic) version.
Of course, what that means is that if all LCP's that are supposed to be returned for the recall mods actually are returned and modded, then there should be no such thing as a Gen-I in existance. So if there is no Gen-I, then the Gen-II should actually be the Gen-I.

Oh crap, I'm giving myself a headache.

Who started this nonsense, anyway? ;D

 

[Match10]

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......barrels were changed from silver finish to blued, that had nothing to do with the recall. They are all stainless anyway, so that was just a matter of color, not material.

Ummm.... Not quite! My barrel, though "stainless", had a huge, growing rust spot in the top surface. No amount of gun oil and polishing would remove it. I loathe such things.

 

[jocko]

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......barrels were changed from silver finish to blued, that had nothing to do with the recall. They are all stainless anyway, so that was just a matter of color, not material.

Ummm.... Not quite! My barrel, though "stainless", had a huge, growing rust spot in the top surface. No amount of gun oil and polishing would remove it. I loathe such things.

I hope I am wrong but the lcp barrels are not stainless.

 

[DesertPunisher425]

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......barrels were changed from silver finish to blued, that had nothing to do with the recall. They are all stainless anyway, so that was just a matter of color, not material.

Ummm.... Not quite! My barrel, though "stainless", had a huge, growing rust spot in the top surface. No amount of gun oil and polishing would remove it. I loathe such things.

I hope I am wrong but the lcp barrels are not stainless.

Yeah, I'd have to agree.

 

[ragu1macrider]

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......barrels were changed from silver finish to blued, that had nothing to do with the recall. They are all stainless anyway, so that was just a matter of color, not material.

Ummm.... Not quite! My barrel, though "stainless", had a huge, growing rust spot in the top surface. No amount of gun oil and polishing would remove it. I loathe such things.

I hope I am wrong but the lcp barrels are not stainless.

Yeah, I'd have to agree.

Sorry, I thought I read somewhere that when cleaning the LCP, that you had to put a light oil film on the barrel to prevent rust. I just assumed that it was regular steel.